1 00:00:07,140 --> 00:00:21,730 [Music] 2 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:24,980 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:28,610 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:35,180 --> 00:00:33,510 here's gene Steinberg so this week we 5 00:00:38,049 --> 00:00:35,190 welcome back as our guest co-host J 6 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:38,059 Randall Murphy who took kind of a hiatus 7 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:40,890 from the forums in the field for a while 8 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:44,330 but you are back in action my friend 9 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:47,850 absolutely I'm glad to be back 10 00:00:52,610 --> 00:00:50,850 this week we welcome back a guest has 11 00:00:56,359 --> 00:00:52,620 been on the show for awhile Loren 12 00:00:58,149 --> 00:00:56,369 Coleman has been very active in the 13 00:01:00,740 --> 00:00:58,159 paranormal research specifically 14 00:01:05,119 --> 00:01:00,750 cryptozoology for I always say ten 15 00:01:07,130 --> 00:01:05,129 thousand years is that close enough yeah 16 00:01:09,010 --> 00:01:07,140 okay yeah that's almost ten thousand and 17 00:01:12,140 --> 00:01:09,020 you have the International cryptozoology 18 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:12,150 Museum and before we go on you tell us 19 00:01:18,590 --> 00:01:14,850 how is that going for you oh it's great 20 00:01:20,810 --> 00:01:18,600 it's we're in our 15th year we relocated 21 00:01:23,899 --> 00:01:20,820 a couple years ago built our own Museum 22 00:01:27,020 --> 00:01:23,909 got a little grant from a fund in 23 00:01:30,020 --> 00:01:27,030 Indiana and we have a two-story little 24 00:01:32,660 --> 00:01:30,030 Museum you know a thriving new area of 25 00:01:36,139 --> 00:01:32,670 Portland called Thompson's point we're 26 00:01:38,510 --> 00:01:36,149 actually located next to a brewery which 27 00:01:41,090 --> 00:01:38,520 is next to a winery and on the other 28 00:01:43,340 --> 00:01:41,100 side of us is a distillery we've we've 29 00:01:45,020 --> 00:01:43,350 joked about having a breathalyzer at our 30 00:01:48,649 --> 00:01:45,030 door but it hasn't happened yet 31 00:01:51,289 --> 00:01:48,659 a breathalyzer at your door rounded all 32 00:01:54,109 --> 00:01:51,299 up by all these Millennials coming in 33 00:01:55,819 --> 00:01:54,119 who have had a few drinks well we just 34 00:01:59,330 --> 00:01:55,829 hope they spend money in our gift store 35 00:02:02,239 --> 00:01:59,340 and support cryptozoology so we we take 36 00:02:03,859 --> 00:02:02,249 people in all kinds of situations when 37 00:02:06,109 --> 00:02:03,869 we were originally going to have you on 38 00:02:09,169 --> 00:02:06,119 and then we had to postpone that due to 39 00:02:13,940 --> 00:02:09,179 a family emergency of yours you had an 40 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:13,950 article from the copycat effect website 41 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:15,110 and I thought that was interesting 42 00:02:20,750 --> 00:02:18,330 because you mentioned here a number of 43 00:02:23,420 --> 00:02:20,760 people known in the paranormal fields 44 00:02:25,490 --> 00:02:23,430 who had died and I observed to you 45 00:02:28,670 --> 00:02:25,500 before we started the show that it 46 00:02:30,530 --> 00:02:28,680 always seems that deaths among people 47 00:02:32,330 --> 00:02:30,540 who are well known 48 00:02:34,699 --> 00:02:32,340 coming clusters like you see a show 49 00:02:36,679 --> 00:02:34,709 business personality dies and then four 50 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:36,689 others are gone do you see that as a 51 00:02:41,660 --> 00:02:39,810 pattern or just one of those things well 52 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:41,670 certainly I think that the human mind 53 00:02:48,649 --> 00:02:45,810 tends to try to organize strange 54 00:02:51,350 --> 00:02:48,659 phenomena whether it's suicides or 55 00:02:54,830 --> 00:02:51,360 deaths or you know UFO sightings or 56 00:02:57,589 --> 00:02:54,840 crypto zoological encounters and one 57 00:03:01,160 --> 00:02:57,599 thing that does happen with the media is 58 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:01,170 if there's one suicide or one death then 59 00:03:07,190 --> 00:03:03,510 they all of a sudden they're more alert 60 00:03:11,300 --> 00:03:07,200 and the reflective factor kicks in and I 61 00:03:13,789 --> 00:03:11,310 certainly know that we noticed a door 62 00:03:16,610 --> 00:03:13,799 had heard a few months ago with all of 63 00:03:20,300 --> 00:03:16,620 these UFO writers that were dying in a 64 00:03:26,170 --> 00:03:20,310 little clump and so we had Brad Steiger 65 00:03:29,119 --> 00:03:26,180 and Adam Palfrey and Dan Cohen art bell 66 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:29,129 within the period of a month there was 67 00:03:34,309 --> 00:03:32,010 lots of writers that are associated with 68 00:03:36,770 --> 00:03:34,319 the field and so we kind of alert 69 00:03:39,069 --> 00:03:36,780 everybody was ready for the next one 70 00:03:42,050 --> 00:03:39,079 that came along and now there's quiet 71 00:03:44,180 --> 00:03:42,060 but what I've actually been writing 72 00:03:47,150 --> 00:03:44,190 about on the Twilight language blog 73 00:03:51,289 --> 00:03:47,160 lately is we've got a very important 74 00:03:53,809 --> 00:03:51,299 date coming up June 24th and June 24th 75 00:03:57,949 --> 00:03:53,819 is certainly a date that anybody that's 76 00:04:01,970 --> 00:03:57,959 in the UFO field has noted there's a lot 77 00:04:06,140 --> 00:04:01,980 of ufologist related deaths on that date 78 00:04:09,619 --> 00:04:06,150 like Frank Scully and Arthur Brian Frank 79 00:04:10,420 --> 00:04:09,629 Edwards Willie Lee Jackie Gleason Lyle 80 00:04:13,580 --> 00:04:10,430 Stuart 81 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:13,590 even the Devo drummer who was into UFOs 82 00:04:18,949 --> 00:04:16,409 Alan Myers lots of different people 83 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:18,959 about 12 deaths that people have 84 00:04:24,740 --> 00:04:21,449 associated with that date and so I'm 85 00:04:27,890 --> 00:04:24,750 looking in the year 2018 that something 86 00:04:30,589 --> 00:04:27,900 major could be happening related to UFOs 87 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:30,599 on the 24th of the month which of course 88 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:34,770 is a kiss Arnold kickoff day in 1947 89 00:04:41,690 --> 00:04:38,610 when UFOs were first first really called 90 00:04:44,310 --> 00:04:41,700 flying saucers so does that mean that I 91 00:04:48,030 --> 00:04:44,320 should really watch myself very careful 92 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:48,040 I'm the 24th I think so I think that 93 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:50,290 everybody that connected with ufology 94 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:53,170 with strange phenomena with the Masons 95 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:54,810 with a whole bunch of different 96 00:05:00,260 --> 00:04:57,610 phenomena may really want to look over 97 00:05:03,330 --> 00:05:00,270 their shoulder on the 24th of this year 98 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:03,340 what would we be looking for exactly 99 00:05:08,430 --> 00:05:05,770 I mean it if this isn't just sort of 100 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:08,440 some kind of in a weird synchronicity 101 00:05:13,230 --> 00:05:11,050 well it's definitely a weird thing 102 00:05:16,050 --> 00:05:13,240 chronicity you can look on twilight 103 00:05:18,020 --> 00:05:16,060 language blog and you can see all of the 104 00:05:20,970 --> 00:05:18,030 different kinds of things that 105 00:05:25,730 --> 00:05:20,980 coincidentally or not have happened on 106 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:25,740 the 24th I think that it's certainly in 107 00:05:32,010 --> 00:05:28,930 1967 where you had three deaths of you 108 00:05:35,370 --> 00:05:32,020 apologists all happening on the same day 109 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:35,380 it really you know kind of had a lot of 110 00:05:40,110 --> 00:05:38,710 people scratching their heads I think 111 00:05:42,570 --> 00:05:40,120 there's a lot of coincidences and 112 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:42,580 there's a lot of synchronicity and and 113 00:05:46,950 --> 00:05:44,650 all but that doesn't mean we shouldn't 114 00:05:49,020 --> 00:05:46,960 be aware of it shouldn't acknowledge it 115 00:05:53,130 --> 00:05:49,030 and shouldn't look out for it 116 00:05:55,110 --> 00:05:53,140 so that's what I do I I tend to look at 117 00:05:57,450 --> 00:05:55,120 old patterns look at new patterns and 118 00:06:00,200 --> 00:05:57,460 and try to make these predictions and 119 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:00,210 I've been doing it for a long time 120 00:06:07,410 --> 00:06:03,610 especially with regard to school 121 00:06:09,170 --> 00:06:07,420 shootings and you know tax terrorist 122 00:06:12,690 --> 00:06:09,180 attacks and different things like that 123 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:12,700 if people are not aware of history they 124 00:06:17,550 --> 00:06:15,330 tend to repeat it and I think that 125 00:06:20,490 --> 00:06:17,560 sometimes people just kind of blow 126 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:20,500 through their day without really being 127 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:23,770 aware of what has happened previously on 128 00:06:32,250 --> 00:06:26,730 those days that sometimes alert 129 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:32,260 individuals some individuals die or die 130 00:06:39,630 --> 00:06:36,280 by suicide because of the anniv syndrome 131 00:06:41,700 --> 00:06:39,640 because there are unconscious dates that 132 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:41,710 people are working around all the time 133 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:45,730 without even thinking about them but if 134 00:06:51,780 --> 00:06:49,210 you look at statistically how many 135 00:06:54,570 --> 00:06:51,790 people die around their birthday or how 136 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:54,580 many people die on significant dates of 137 00:06:58,340 --> 00:06:56,710 others in their family it's just 138 00:07:00,410 --> 00:06:58,350 something that can't be 139 00:07:04,970 --> 00:07:00,420 let me raise one for you here actually 140 00:07:09,050 --> 00:07:04,980 to 1988 September 9th that's my birthday 141 00:07:12,020 --> 00:07:09,060 my father died that afternoon now it was 142 00:07:13,970 --> 00:07:12,030 kind of interesting because he wasn't a 143 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:13,980 young man he was just shy 79 and 144 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:16,290 otherwise was in decent state of health 145 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:18,450 and everything he just kind of keeled 146 00:07:24,380 --> 00:07:21,930 over and that was it as quick as you can 147 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:24,390 go on my birthday 148 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:28,490 now the day before they called us and 149 00:07:33,650 --> 00:07:30,930 normally when I had for conversation 150 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:33,660 with my dad it would be very short it 151 00:07:39,350 --> 00:07:36,810 would be very short this time he spent 152 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:39,360 more and more time on the phone maybe 10 153 00:07:45,290 --> 00:07:42,000 minutes or so to be assured I was okay 154 00:07:47,180 --> 00:07:45,300 and I can think in retrospect he wanted 155 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:47,190 to make sure before he left and he knew 156 00:07:54,530 --> 00:07:49,170 he was gonna go the next day or shortly 157 00:07:59,060 --> 00:07:54,540 that he made sure everything was okay in 158 00:08:02,240 --> 00:07:59,070 my life one instance another instance my 159 00:08:07,250 --> 00:08:02,250 late brother-in-law Stephen died 10 160 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:07,260 minutes after my birthday ended I have 161 00:08:10,550 --> 00:08:09,090 no idea the distinction of that because 162 00:08:12,890 --> 00:08:10,560 his birthday it was May or June or 163 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:12,900 something like that those are the two 164 00:08:19,190 --> 00:08:16,370 I'm aware of with my father I could see 165 00:08:22,670 --> 00:08:19,200 things going on but that also gives me 166 00:08:24,350 --> 00:08:22,680 the impression that it's not when you're 167 00:08:26,810 --> 00:08:24,360 suffering from a serious illness and you 168 00:08:30,260 --> 00:08:26,820 know you're gonna go of any day now I do 169 00:08:32,950 --> 00:08:30,270 think maybe sometimes people know their 170 00:08:36,350 --> 00:08:32,960 time is about done what do you think I 171 00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:36,360 certainly think that's true my father 172 00:08:43,540 --> 00:08:41,910 died on December 8th and he was a world 173 00:08:46,730 --> 00:08:43,550 war two veteran 174 00:08:49,490 --> 00:08:46,740 even though he acted like he did not 175 00:08:53,270 --> 00:08:49,500 notice it every year he would talk about 176 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:53,280 December 7th really Pearl Harbor Day 177 00:08:58,250 --> 00:08:56,090 really drawing him into the war 178 00:09:01,880 --> 00:08:58,260 volunteering for the Navy and all of 179 00:09:04,910 --> 00:09:01,890 that and for him to have died he he 180 00:09:05,930 --> 00:09:04,920 lingered on with lung cancer for like 181 00:09:09,020 --> 00:09:05,940 three years 182 00:09:11,780 --> 00:09:09,030 I thought it was very significant that 183 00:09:14,450 --> 00:09:11,790 he would kind of finally let go 184 00:09:17,780 --> 00:09:14,460 on December 7th and died the next day 185 00:09:19,610 --> 00:09:17,790 and I've seen that happen with a lot of 186 00:09:22,660 --> 00:09:19,620 different people in my family around 187 00:09:27,650 --> 00:09:22,670 their birthdays around significant dates 188 00:09:31,340 --> 00:09:27,660 it's just part of the humanity that we 189 00:09:34,250 --> 00:09:31,350 have and I think in your stories they 190 00:09:37,070 --> 00:09:34,260 talk in some ways you're being sent 191 00:09:40,940 --> 00:09:37,080 messages about how significant your 192 00:09:43,010 --> 00:09:40,950 birthday and you were to those people we 193 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:43,020 got more to come with Loren Coleman our 194 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:45,210 guest co-host is Jay Randall Murphy 195 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:48,530 you're in the para cast 196 00:10:00,330 --> 00:09:57,090 [Music] 197 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:00,340 we also have swag you know we have all 198 00:10:06,180 --> 00:10:03,610 these exclusive 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00:15:16,640 whether those particular vents have some 326 00:15:21,970 --> 00:15:19,100 kind of synchronicity element and Lauren 327 00:15:25,180 --> 00:15:21,980 was mentioning days where people may 328 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:25,190 tend to die anniversaries birthdays or 329 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:28,610 birthdays of relatives things like that 330 00:15:33,850 --> 00:15:32,090 or June 24th a very interesting 331 00:15:36,010 --> 00:15:33,860 anniversary because it was the day of 332 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:36,020 Kenneth Arnold sighting Lauren you go 333 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:38,870 ahead please well I think that if we 334 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:41,330 look in the popular culture there's been 335 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:43,850 a whole spate of hangings of celebrity 336 00:15:51,430 --> 00:15:48,110 Andrew Bodine and Kate Spade and then 337 00:15:54,340 --> 00:15:51,440 last night actually we're talking here 338 00:15:59,230 --> 00:15:54,350 in in June a publicist 339 00:16:01,780 --> 00:15:59,240 named what was her a gin a / / who was 340 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:01,790 and it's interesting because all of 341 00:16:08,380 --> 00:16:04,640 these three celebrities are connected by 342 00:16:11,140 --> 00:16:08,390 sex in the city and so you try to look 343 00:16:14,530 --> 00:16:11,150 at these deaths and go beyond the news 344 00:16:17,260 --> 00:16:14,540 that's just on TV try to look for the 345 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:17,270 patterns and that's what I do of all of 346 00:16:20,199 --> 00:16:18,890 these people that have died that I know 347 00:16:24,609 --> 00:16:20,209 in the 348 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:24,619 apology field we can't just take okay 349 00:16:30,129 --> 00:16:27,649 that's when they died we really miss 350 00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:30,139 them and I'm sad about that I tried to 351 00:16:34,269 --> 00:16:31,759 look a little bit deeper to see if 352 00:16:36,309 --> 00:16:34,279 there's a pattern going on in the 353 00:16:40,449 --> 00:16:36,319 rock-and-roll business you saw that with 354 00:16:44,109 --> 00:16:40,459 the Chris Cornell died on a date that 355 00:16:47,230 --> 00:16:44,119 many rock individuals rock stars have 356 00:16:50,739 --> 00:16:47,240 hung themselves and then you saw of 357 00:16:53,379 --> 00:16:50,749 course chester bennington kill himself 358 00:16:56,679 --> 00:16:53,389 through hanging once again on the 359 00:16:59,710 --> 00:16:56,689 birthday of Chris Cornell so there's 360 00:17:02,439 --> 00:16:59,720 those links like that that just because 361 00:17:04,419 --> 00:17:02,449 it's a date in Wikipedia doesn't mean it 362 00:17:07,449 --> 00:17:04,429 didn't have some connection for that 363 00:17:10,269 --> 00:17:07,459 individual in a very deep way so what do 364 00:17:12,639 --> 00:17:10,279 you think that means then I worked for 365 00:17:16,590 --> 00:17:12,649 over eleven years with the state of 366 00:17:19,449 --> 00:17:16,600 Maine trained over 40,000 individuals 367 00:17:21,850 --> 00:17:19,459 paramedics police officers all over the 368 00:17:25,029 --> 00:17:21,860 state on the warning signs and and 369 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:25,039 suicide prevention and what I'm saying 370 00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:28,970 in and very overtly is that there are 371 00:17:35,889 --> 00:17:31,520 warning signs that people ignore there 372 00:17:37,539 --> 00:17:35,899 are clues in human behavior whether we 373 00:17:41,169 --> 00:17:37,549 talk about it in terms of for Tiana 374 00:17:44,289 --> 00:17:41,179 ufology or celebrity suicides there's 375 00:17:47,710 --> 00:17:44,299 things going on that are ignored by the 376 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:47,720 day to day routine that you know 377 00:17:53,620 --> 00:17:50,330 breaking news on CNN it's no longer 378 00:17:56,470 --> 00:17:53,630 breaking news it's just a washes across 379 00:17:58,570 --> 00:17:56,480 to us and I think if you care about some 380 00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:58,580 of these individuals and you talk to 381 00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:00,559 them you're trying to prevent suicide 382 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:05,120 you also have to dig a little deeper in 383 00:18:11,980 --> 00:18:08,770 a very personal detective method 384 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:11,990 logically so that you can see that these 385 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:14,210 people are giving signs there are 386 00:18:19,870 --> 00:18:16,250 certain dates that they'll be more at 387 00:18:23,230 --> 00:18:19,880 risk on or their parents birthday or 388 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:23,240 some times when a mother dies or a close 389 00:18:31,299 --> 00:18:27,529 friend 50% of individuals who die by 390 00:18:34,030 --> 00:18:31,309 suicide very directly have someone in 391 00:18:38,290 --> 00:18:34,040 their family that has also died by 392 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:38,300 aside it's a model of behavior and it's 393 00:18:43,300 --> 00:18:41,210 one in which you just have to keep 394 00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:43,310 talking to the individual and also look 395 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:45,440 at their history in a way that is often 396 00:18:50,830 --> 00:18:47,930 ignored that's perfectly fair actually 397 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:50,840 I've heard the same thing that these 398 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:52,850 signs are ignored by people of the 399 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:55,010 person might for example just joke about 400 00:18:59,380 --> 00:18:57,770 it and the advice is well if somebody's 401 00:19:01,990 --> 00:18:59,390 joking about killing themselves you 402 00:19:03,610 --> 00:19:02,000 really should start to look a little bit 403 00:19:07,630 --> 00:19:03,620 deeper to make sure that they're okay 404 00:19:10,810 --> 00:19:07,640 and that it's not something more serious 405 00:19:13,390 --> 00:19:10,820 but then how do you explain this sort of 406 00:19:15,460 --> 00:19:13,400 synchronicities where a person isn't 407 00:19:18,010 --> 00:19:15,470 really suicidal like they say the case 408 00:19:20,650 --> 00:19:18,020 of John Mack here we have you know John 409 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:20,660 Mack was yes they're very respected 410 00:19:25,810 --> 00:19:23,690 Harvard psychiatrist who was doing 411 00:19:29,170 --> 00:19:25,820 exceedingly well with his research and 412 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:29,180 then was run down by a driver I think in 413 00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:33,910 France and England actually and he was 414 00:19:40,030 --> 00:19:38,480 the driver wasn't found to be involved 415 00:19:43,290 --> 00:19:40,040 in any kind of conspiracy he was just 416 00:19:46,330 --> 00:19:43,300 impaired so I mean how do we kind of 417 00:19:49,060 --> 00:19:46,340 reconcile the synchronicities where 418 00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:49,070 there is no apparent reason for a person 419 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:50,900 to want to die with just random 420 00:19:54,790 --> 00:19:52,910 occurrences that according to what 421 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:54,800 you're saying aren't necessarily random 422 00:20:01,330 --> 00:19:57,770 well I've never looked into John's case 423 00:20:04,750 --> 00:20:01,340 other than I know specifically that he 424 00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:04,760 was in England he stepped off of a curb 425 00:20:10,030 --> 00:20:08,480 and being American he thought about the 426 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:10,040 traffic going in a different way on 427 00:20:17,860 --> 00:20:14,090 different sides so he actually walked 428 00:20:20,380 --> 00:20:17,870 into traffic in which he wasn't looking 429 00:20:23,260 --> 00:20:20,390 the right direction was he unconscious 430 00:20:26,050 --> 00:20:23,270 was he in a trance did he not know he 431 00:20:27,070 --> 00:20:26,060 was in England you know there's kinds of 432 00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:27,080 things like that 433 00:20:33,130 --> 00:20:30,320 there's nothing suicidal perhaps and in 434 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:33,140 what he did I don't even know do you 435 00:20:38,140 --> 00:20:34,970 know what date he died was there any 436 00:20:40,050 --> 00:20:38,150 synchronicity with the date that he he 437 00:20:42,930 --> 00:20:40,060 died I mean I know there's always 438 00:20:45,790 --> 00:20:42,940 conspiracy theories about was John Mac 439 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:45,800 killed by the government who thought he 440 00:20:49,410 --> 00:20:47,530 knew too much and all of that 441 00:20:53,610 --> 00:20:49,420 I'm not talking about that I'm talking 442 00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:53,620 about the unconscious awareness and the 443 00:20:56,340 --> 00:20:55,600 lack of awareness that some people put 444 00:20:59,580 --> 00:20:56,350 themselves 445 00:21:02,520 --> 00:20:59,590 we should kid ourselves not that there 446 00:21:07,380 --> 00:21:02,530 are a lot of depressed people who are 447 00:21:10,650 --> 00:21:07,390 engaged in ufology and I find it kind of 448 00:21:15,810 --> 00:21:10,660 remarkable and sad that if someone knows 449 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:15,820 that there's a large a big or a kind of 450 00:21:22,860 --> 00:21:19,090 date coming in up they may pick that 451 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:22,870 date unconsciously as a date in which 452 00:21:30,450 --> 00:21:27,850 they will die I'm wondering if there 453 00:21:33,450 --> 00:21:30,460 seems to be the suicide rate is 30% 454 00:21:36,090 --> 00:21:33,460 higher than it has been in recent years 455 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:36,100 in the last 10 years there's certainly a 456 00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:40,330 lot of suicide on the media with of them 457 00:21:46,890 --> 00:21:44,200 are military 22 soldiers dying a day 458 00:21:49,530 --> 00:21:46,900 with all the celebrity suicides and 459 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:49,540 hangings I think the model is out there 460 00:21:55,860 --> 00:21:52,110 and this is a very dangerous time for 461 00:21:59,760 --> 00:21:55,870 people that are impulsive are violent 462 00:22:00,990 --> 00:21:59,770 are depressed with energy one of the 463 00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:01,000 things that people get wrong about 464 00:22:06,570 --> 00:22:03,910 suicide is that it's not just depressed 465 00:22:09,210 --> 00:22:06,580 people because depress people usually 466 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:09,220 don't have the energy to kill themselves 467 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:10,930 it's people that are a little more 468 00:22:16,890 --> 00:22:14,290 stirred up and so I wonder if this this 469 00:22:19,950 --> 00:22:16,900 coming weekend is going to have some of 470 00:22:21,620 --> 00:22:19,960 that energy dispersal through suicides 471 00:22:23,850 --> 00:22:21,630 now I should point out to our listeners 472 00:22:27,090 --> 00:22:23,860 they will be listening to the show on 473 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:27,100 the 24th of June so of anything untoward 474 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:28,510 is gonna happen I guess we'll have an 475 00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:29,770 indication we'll get more into this 476 00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:33,790 synchronicity and deaths and knowing 477 00:22:39,690 --> 00:22:36,910 perhaps sensing when it's gonna happen 478 00:22:49,619 --> 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you're guaranteed to get clear 576 00:27:03,979 --> 00:26:44,740 and stay clear or you get your money 577 00:27:10,469 --> 00:27:07,079 okay this is Marie D Jones the author of 578 00:27:13,019 --> 00:27:10,479 this book is from the future and you are 579 00:27:24,869 --> 00:27:13,029 listening to the podcast the gold 580 00:27:27,959 --> 00:27:24,879 standard of paranormal radio now this 581 00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,969 phenomenon knowing someone's gonna die 582 00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:29,200 is that something that's in your 583 00:27:35,879 --> 00:27:32,829 subconscious and your DNA is that when 584 00:27:38,879 --> 00:27:35,889 people seem to know if you're talking 585 00:27:41,789 --> 00:27:38,889 about the individual who is going to die 586 00:27:44,639 --> 00:27:41,799 by suicide there's usually a plan 587 00:27:49,229 --> 00:27:44,649 there's usually some way that they're 588 00:27:52,529 --> 00:27:49,239 going to really do this act it's not 589 00:27:56,369 --> 00:27:52,539 usually unconscious it's not usually as 590 00:27:59,759 --> 00:27:56,379 impulsive as in the surviving family 591 00:28:03,149 --> 00:27:59,769 members think it's oftentimes been 592 00:28:06,209 --> 00:28:03,159 inside of them with regard to people 593 00:28:09,930 --> 00:28:06,219 that are outside that individual looking 594 00:28:14,099 --> 00:28:09,940 at it it may there may be clues and 595 00:28:17,339 --> 00:28:14,109 warning signs as we all agree but it's 596 00:28:20,430 --> 00:28:17,349 the synchronicity that is most 597 00:28:23,369 --> 00:28:20,440 interesting to followers of the unknown 598 00:28:26,629 --> 00:28:23,379 because part of what followers of the 599 00:28:29,489 --> 00:28:26,639 unknown for Tian's ufologist all of us 600 00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:29,499 individuals interest in that is we want 601 00:28:34,349 --> 00:28:32,169 to crack the nut we want to solve the 602 00:28:37,109 --> 00:28:34,359 mystery we want to find the pattern we 603 00:28:39,979 --> 00:28:37,119 want to keep people alive if that's even 604 00:28:44,699 --> 00:28:39,989 down to the basic so there is something 605 00:28:46,829 --> 00:28:44,709 really deep about that inside of us I in 606 00:28:48,329 --> 00:28:46,839 my most recent book which is Mothman 607 00:28:52,639 --> 00:28:48,339 evil incarnate 608 00:28:54,959 --> 00:28:52,649 I look at 100 deaths of people 609 00:28:58,109 --> 00:28:54,969 associated or linked to the Mothman 610 00:29:01,949 --> 00:28:58,119 phenomena that have died by suicide or 611 00:29:05,149 --> 00:29:01,959 died young or I even died elderly age 612 00:29:08,669 --> 00:29:05,159 but on a specific day that may have 613 00:29:10,889 --> 00:29:08,679 significance to the Mothman phenomena so 614 00:29:13,529 --> 00:29:10,899 there's many different ways to look at 615 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:13,539 this it's just a what kind of approach 616 00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:14,930 you want to take 617 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:17,600 so these are people that have some 618 00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:21,410 notoriety in the media or in folklore or 619 00:29:28,030 --> 00:29:24,440 in the type of field that people study 620 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:28,040 so how do we know that the statistics 621 00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,170 for those people aren't really pretty 622 00:29:34,930 --> 00:29:32,480 much the same for the average population 623 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:34,940 unless we take a sample from the average 624 00:29:41,290 --> 00:29:37,610 population to see if there are similar 625 00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:41,300 patterns very true if the funding was 626 00:29:48,670 --> 00:29:45,440 available I did a whole book in 1987 627 00:29:52,260 --> 00:29:48,680 called suicide cluster based upon many 628 00:29:56,010 --> 00:29:52,270 statistical studies based upon many 629 00:29:58,900 --> 00:29:56,020 databases full of that kind of approach 630 00:30:01,840 --> 00:29:58,910 so we definitely know their suicide 631 00:30:04,690 --> 00:30:01,850 clusters a phenomena that was totally 632 00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:04,700 ignored by the psychological field and 633 00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,480 the government before the 1980s even 634 00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:10,880 though I was able and some colleagues of 635 00:30:16,030 --> 00:30:13,580 mine and the suicide ology field were 636 00:30:19,660 --> 00:30:16,040 able to dig up records from the 4th 637 00:30:23,530 --> 00:30:19,670 century BC in Greece so I approached 638 00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:23,540 this open-mindedly but also skeptically 639 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:26,510 I very much am NOT a true believer in 640 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:29,690 any of this phenomena or am ia a deep 641 00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:33,050 debunker I think the the position to 642 00:30:38,980 --> 00:30:36,260 take is to approach all of this data all 643 00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:38,990 of these different theories right down 644 00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:42,080 the middle open-mindedly and skeptically 645 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:45,020 that's pretty interesting then so you've 646 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:47,570 taken a look at both sides so then in 647 00:30:53,290 --> 00:30:49,730 your research can you tell us if there 648 00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:53,300 are some markers that set some of these 649 00:30:59,380 --> 00:30:56,480 people apart from the sort of the 650 00:31:02,830 --> 00:30:59,390 baseline that are interesting well I 651 00:31:05,170 --> 00:31:02,840 think I've given some clues to that with 652 00:31:08,380 --> 00:31:05,180 regards to some of the celebrity 653 00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:08,390 suicides they are individuals that are 654 00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:10,940 connected to other individuals they've 655 00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:13,760 used them as models they think about 656 00:31:21,390 --> 00:31:16,880 those individuals a lot for instance 657 00:31:24,810 --> 00:31:21,400 Kate Spade the designer who recently 658 00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:24,820 hung herself with one of her own scarves 659 00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:28,559 was obsessed with suicide 660 00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:33,929 study the suicide deaths of Robin 661 00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:36,299 Williams for instance how he hung 662 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:38,760 himself how he used something on a 663 00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:42,570 closet door and she would look for hours 664 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:46,020 and hours at media phenomena connected 665 00:31:51,169 --> 00:31:48,690 to that as well as the recent suicides 666 00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:51,179 of other individuals that may have been 667 00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:53,700 lesser individual I want to ask you 668 00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:55,380 something before we go on here George 669 00:32:02,930 --> 00:31:59,700 right okay now she must have done this 670 00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,940 on the down-low because nobody in this 671 00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,559 time that she was looking into these 672 00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,440 other suicides realized there might be a 673 00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:10,080 problem or some symptom of depression 674 00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:12,780 that warranted further study I mean in 675 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:15,600 the terms of Robin Williams we know now 676 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:18,210 or at least after suicide that he was an 677 00:32:23,659 --> 00:32:21,330 ill health and that everything that made 678 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:23,669 his life worthwhile and he was someone 679 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:26,010 who had suffered from psychological 680 00:32:31,779 --> 00:32:28,890 problems for years everything that made 681 00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:31,789 him so great was basically fading away 682 00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:34,200 so you can kind of see what might have 683 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:37,919 led to it in her case the two questions 684 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:39,690 I would have nobody and her family 685 00:32:45,529 --> 00:32:41,970 noticed this and number two was there 686 00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:45,539 something in her life that anyone could 687 00:32:50,570 --> 00:32:47,780 point to that might have given a clue 688 00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:50,580 well her family did know there's lots of 689 00:32:55,220 --> 00:32:52,169 different articles that have come out 690 00:32:57,620 --> 00:32:55,230 quoting her family saying oh we saw her 691 00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:57,630 doing this I think the question that 692 00:33:03,440 --> 00:32:59,880 we're coming up against whether it's you 693 00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:03,450 follow gist or celebrities is the 694 00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:06,360 question of why why did someone kill 695 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:08,190 themselves it's a question none of us 696 00:33:12,919 --> 00:33:10,770 can answer except the individual that 697 00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:12,929 takes their lives it's something that 698 00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:15,929 bothers all of us that we we try to look 699 00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:18,299 for all of the pieces and we talk about 700 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:20,460 depression oh we talk about them being 701 00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:22,650 obsessed with this we talk about the 702 00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:25,710 family members that ignore the warning 703 00:33:32,049 --> 00:33:28,620 signs everybody feels guilty everybody 704 00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:32,059 feels confused and everybody walks away 705 00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:34,980 trying to come up with the theory of why 706 00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:37,590 the person did it or what led them to 707 00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,200 this even with the Robin Williams story 708 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:42,000 that you just mentioned 709 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:44,970 that he was ill there's different parts 710 00:33:51,950 --> 00:33:48,330 of his community like his wife that said 711 00:33:54,530 --> 00:33:51,960 he was not ill he was not dying of 712 00:33:57,140 --> 00:33:54,540 cancer he was not this and that so you 713 00:34:00,640 --> 00:33:57,150 get all kinds of stories from the 714 00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:00,650 primary sources and it leaves everybody 715 00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:03,600 totally mystified and that's the whole 716 00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:08,070 route of suicide suicide is not 717 00:34:13,220 --> 00:34:10,470 something you'll ever be able to answer 718 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:13,230 the why about because it's just still 719 00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:15,810 the unknown one of the greatest unknowns 720 00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:20,040 that really faces all of us people that 721 00:34:27,379 --> 00:34:24,659 survived suicides there is therefore no 722 00:34:31,220 --> 00:34:27,389 profile the mental health therapists can 723 00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:31,230 apply to say this person is at risk well 724 00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:33,179 there certainly are a lot of profiles 725 00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:36,030 and there's a lot of warning signs but 726 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:38,790 there are a lot of misconceptions too 727 00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:41,970 like you know someone wants to hurt 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00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:11,940 the podcast the gold standard of 868 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:24,250 paranormal radio Jay Randall Murphy 869 00:41:30,750 --> 00:41:26,650 guest co-host Loren Coleman is our guest 870 00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:30,760 and we're talking about largely deaths 871 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:32,790 clusters of deaths suicides 872 00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:37,210 synchronicity etc etc Lauren is gonna 873 00:41:40,620 --> 00:41:38,800 continue on that I'm gonna ask him a 874 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:40,630 little bit later to go back and list 875 00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:43,050 because we only did in passing the 876 00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:46,480 paranormal celebrity deaths and tell us 877 00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:48,640 more about those people Randall 878 00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,460 yeah my memory isn't really great first 879 00:41:55,350 --> 00:41:53,920 for specifics and names and dates so 880 00:41:58,890 --> 00:41:55,360 maybe you can help me out on this a bit 881 00:42:01,980 --> 00:41:58,900 Lauren there's an author who wrote a 882 00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:01,990 book on the school shootings and teen 883 00:42:08,910 --> 00:42:06,790 suicides and maintains that it's highly 884 00:42:11,460 --> 00:42:08,920 connected to behavior modifying 885 00:42:13,050 --> 00:42:11,470 pharmaceuticals is that something that 886 00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:13,060 you've read about or know anything about 887 00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:15,340 her and can confirm or what's your 888 00:42:19,860 --> 00:42:17,560 feeling about that I think that there's 889 00:42:23,850 --> 00:42:19,870 lots of different people yes I'm very 890 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:23,860 aware of that I've gotten discussions 891 00:42:30,990 --> 00:42:26,890 and debates with that person online that 892 00:42:34,980 --> 00:42:31,000 seems to in many ways be let me 893 00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:34,990 carefully say this a right-wing theory 894 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:38,080 that has a lot of politics connected to 895 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:40,690 it and I'm very cautious about that 896 00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:43,210 because all you have to do is look back 897 00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:46,800 in time and see that certain political 898 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:50,800 motivations in the 30s a lot of juvenile 899 00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:53,170 delinquency was blamed on comic books 900 00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,880 then you've come right up through 901 00:42:59,790 --> 00:42:56,800 history and find that there was a period 902 00:43:03,660 --> 00:42:59,800 where people were blaming videogames on 903 00:43:06,510 --> 00:43:03,670 school suicide clusters now we have a 904 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:06,520 group of individuals who have clung on 905 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:08,890 to this idea that pharmaceuticals 906 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:11,770 because one or two individuals that 907 00:43:15,740 --> 00:43:13,290 they've read about 908 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:15,750 we're on ritalin or some other drugs 909 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:19,050 mood changing behavior drugs are you 910 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:21,330 sure it's only just one or two because 911 00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:24,290 from what I recall in me in with this 912 00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:28,110 author and you can I'm sure look up to 913 00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:29,880 YouTube I mean there's a big difference 914 00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:31,800 between comic books and knowing people 915 00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,950 have prescriptions for behavior altering 916 00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:37,200 pharmaceuticals so you know we know 917 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:39,420 pharmaceuticals do alter behavior and 918 00:43:43,850 --> 00:43:42,630 then there's a definite link tonic books 919 00:43:46,330 --> 00:43:43,860 are a different kind of thing altogether 920 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:46,340 that's more of a I'm just talking about 921 00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:50,250 with regard to the pharmaceuticals also 922 00:43:54,350 --> 00:43:51,740 you've got to understand that 923 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:54,360 individuals who had problems or were 924 00:44:00,620 --> 00:43:57,450 already indicated in the thousands in 925 00:44:03,290 --> 00:44:00,630 that tens of thousands they would then 926 00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:03,300 give them pharmaceuticals and so you can 927 00:44:08,060 --> 00:44:06,390 kind of go backwards with this instead 928 00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:08,070 of saying which came first the chicken 929 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:10,590 or the egg in other words just because 930 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:13,410 someone is taking Ritalin are you saying 931 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:15,690 that the Ritalin is then causing their 932 00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:18,050 school shooting when in fact the 933 00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:21,900 predisposition in that child must have 934 00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:24,110 already been there whether they were 935 00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:27,390 incorrectly medicated or not there was 936 00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:30,180 something going on what this individual 937 00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:32,910 has done is they get on a list I was 938 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:34,140 just gonna say one or two 939 00:44:39,350 --> 00:44:36,570 lerton took them to that and then they 940 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:39,360 dug back and found out more came up with 941 00:44:45,110 --> 00:44:42,210 a list and said ah these people were on 942 00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,120 drugs they did school shootings they did 943 00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,520 suicides whatever I don't think it's 944 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:50,160 that clear-cut well I mean returning 945 00:44:53,540 --> 00:44:51,930 back just to the briefly on the 946 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:53,550 prescriptions because there was one more 947 00:44:58,220 --> 00:44:56,610 other thing we there's studies that look 948 00:45:01,040 --> 00:44:58,230 at the side effects and they actually 949 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:01,050 list things like depression and possible 950 00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:03,570 you know feelings of suicide right on 951 00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:06,180 the medication warning labels so I think 952 00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:08,520 it's kind of hard to just kind of write 953 00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:12,420 that off as well not coincidental and 954 00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:14,910 you put something in place like maybe 955 00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:16,710 they just happen to be a fan of Kurt 956 00:45:20,549 --> 00:45:18,430 Cobain or something 957 00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:20,559 well you know if you give someone that 958 00:45:28,019 --> 00:45:25,000 suicidal medications and then one of the 959 00:45:30,089 --> 00:45:28,029 outcomes is suicide the pharmaceutical 960 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:30,099 company are naturally going to put one 961 00:45:37,260 --> 00:45:33,130 of the side effects may be suicide but 962 00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:37,270 once again I'm very skeptical of how 963 00:45:45,089 --> 00:45:41,880 quickly people turn to that to blame 964 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:45,099 well that's a fair comment because you 965 00:45:51,029 --> 00:45:48,130 know all I think all too often we over 966 00:45:53,579 --> 00:45:51,039 medicate or medicate when really there 967 00:45:56,730 --> 00:45:53,589 are other underlying reasons that maybe 968 00:45:59,970 --> 00:45:56,740 could be solved by some sort of psycho 969 00:46:02,039 --> 00:45:59,980 therapy or counseling I'm no expert in 970 00:46:04,789 --> 00:46:02,049 that but it's just an impression I tend 971 00:46:07,380 --> 00:46:04,799 to get I actually have a master's in 972 00:46:10,829 --> 00:46:07,390 psychiatric Social Work I've written 973 00:46:12,690 --> 00:46:10,839 several books on it studied it became a 974 00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:12,700 member of the American suicide at 975 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:16,950 logical society and gave papers on it so 976 00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:21,130 there's always somebody to say it's 977 00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:24,460 comic books or pharmaceutical drugs or a 978 00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:27,940 video games I wasn't saying that I 979 00:46:34,109 --> 00:46:30,880 believed in or supported comic books I 980 00:46:38,430 --> 00:46:34,119 was saying I was skeptical of that as an 981 00:46:42,029 --> 00:46:38,440 easy explanation and I am also have seen 982 00:46:45,329 --> 00:46:42,039 the damage of people with no knowledge 983 00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,339 coming in with a political agenda and 984 00:46:50,609 --> 00:46:47,920 saying this is this is because of 985 00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:50,619 Ritalin or something like that oh that's 986 00:46:57,150 --> 00:46:54,640 totally fair completely fair and odd the 987 00:46:59,250 --> 00:46:57,160 other thing I wanted to ask this is kind 988 00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,260 of on a side note a bit of maybe pop 989 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:01,599 culture and that I recently watched a 990 00:47:06,839 --> 00:47:03,490 movie was called the discovery with 991 00:47:09,890 --> 00:47:06,849 Robert Redford and what he'd done is he 992 00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:09,900 plays the part of a scientist who proves 993 00:47:17,279 --> 00:47:12,910 in his loud the existence of an 994 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:17,289 afterlife and goes on to media claiming 995 00:47:24,269 --> 00:47:21,450 this and gets a bunch of followers and 996 00:47:27,740 --> 00:47:24,279 then the suicide rate starts to climb 997 00:47:30,299 --> 00:47:27,750 and so it's a dramatic portrayal of how 998 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:30,309 scientific proof of the afterlife would 999 00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:32,290 affect people's desire 1000 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:34,990 to end this life and move on to the next 1001 00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:36,610 one yeah I thought that was pretty 1002 00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:39,700 interesting do you do you find it belief 1003 00:47:46,170 --> 00:47:43,710 in after lives plays any role in suicide 1004 00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:46,180 well I think we're getting into some 1005 00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:50,040 deep areas coming from a fictional movie 1006 00:47:59,100 --> 00:47:54,750 you have some things going on like heavy 1007 00:48:02,640 --> 00:47:59,110 community heavy religious beliefs that 1008 00:48:05,850 --> 00:48:02,650 creates a community is a suicide support 1009 00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:05,860 is a is a suicide prevention support in 1010 00:48:13,470 --> 00:48:09,300 other words deep black church 1011 00:48:17,550 --> 00:48:13,480 communities heavy Catholic communities 1012 00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:17,560 that aren't cruel to each other about 1013 00:48:22,620 --> 00:48:19,750 the suicide you know there are these 1014 00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,630 communities where they say if you die by 1015 00:48:27,390 --> 00:48:24,640 suicide you're not going to be buried in 1016 00:48:29,850 --> 00:48:27,400 sacred ground and so get out of here and 1017 00:48:31,470 --> 00:48:29,860 there's that kind of approach to I found 1018 00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:31,480 in some communities that actually 1019 00:48:37,950 --> 00:48:34,840 backfire and don't make the person that 1020 00:48:40,890 --> 00:48:37,960 suicide will feel very safe so that 1021 00:48:43,580 --> 00:48:40,900 sometimes happens the the most important 1022 00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:43,590 thing the prevent suicide is 1023 00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:46,960 communication sense of community sense 1024 00:48:54,990 --> 00:48:50,350 of connectedness a suicidal individual 1025 00:48:58,020 --> 00:48:55,000 feels extremely alone yeah oftentimes 1026 00:49:00,600 --> 00:48:58,030 there's not many people that are feeling 1027 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:00,610 suicidal that care one way or another 1028 00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:03,810 about where they're going after they die 1029 00:49:09,930 --> 00:49:06,520 the thing that I heard from teenagers 1030 00:49:12,090 --> 00:49:09,940 often was well I'm gonna kill myself 1031 00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:12,100 and I'll be able to float over my 1032 00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:14,710 funeral and I'll be able to watch people 1033 00:49:19,710 --> 00:49:17,680 cry or I'll be able to watch who comes 1034 00:49:24,060 --> 00:49:19,720 and different things like that that's 1035 00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:24,070 about as far as deep as it goes for 1036 00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:27,520 thoughts about the afterlife so it's 1037 00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:30,910 it's not something that really is really 1038 00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:35,460 a for preventive factors is it called I 1039 00:49:39,930 --> 00:49:38,260 think it might I was sort of looking at 1040 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:39,940 it more as a contributing factor like if 1041 00:49:44,580 --> 00:49:42,370 you believe you can float out of your 1042 00:49:46,260 --> 00:49:44,590 body and you're going to be fine and 1043 00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:46,270 it's only your body that dies 1044 00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:49,500 and you're not really losing much by 1045 00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:53,110 shedding the body and floating off into 1046 00:49:59,010 --> 00:49:55,000 another existence where there's less 1047 00:50:01,620 --> 00:49:59,020 pain or problems or what have you see 1048 00:50:03,110 --> 00:50:01,630 yes sir yeah elderly suicides a whole 1049 00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:03,120 different thing but among young people 1050 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:07,750 who are considering suicide they mostly 1051 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:09,970 want to live they mostly want to enjoy 1052 00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:12,370 their body they want to enjoy life and 1053 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:15,430 it's the pain that they're feeling in 1054 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:18,010 that body that they may want to get away 1055 00:50:24,330 --> 00:50:21,130 from so I I hear what you're saying but 1056 00:50:26,250 --> 00:50:24,340 it's not something that maybe it works 1057 00:50:28,770 --> 00:50:26,260 in a movie but it hasn't really worked 1058 00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:28,780 in the thousands of people I've talked 1059 00:50:35,790 --> 00:50:32,760 to one of the best studies was a 1060 00:50:37,970 --> 00:50:35,800 psychiatrist in New Hampshire who 1061 00:50:42,210 --> 00:50:37,980 actually interviewed a hundred people 1062 00:50:45,060 --> 00:50:42,220 who almost died they in other words shot 1063 00:50:47,490 --> 00:50:45,070 a bullet into their head and survived or 1064 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:47,500 jumped off a bridge and survived so he 1065 00:50:56,820 --> 00:50:52,170 he actually interviewed people that had 1066 00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:56,830 quote-unquote committed suicide but then 1067 00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:00,640 lived and he found that in the last 1068 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:04,240 second when life was fleeting from their 1069 00:51:11,550 --> 00:51:08,410 body or supposedly everyone of a hundred 1070 00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:11,560 percent said they made a mistake and 1071 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:14,800 they wanted to live and they really 1072 00:51:19,530 --> 00:51:16,930 really wanted to live it's a fascinating 1073 00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:19,540 direction to take this discussion but we 1074 00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:21,730 also have to break we've got more to 1075 00:51:26,550 --> 00:51:23,740 come with Loren Coleman and Jay Randall 1076 00:51:28,810 --> 00:51:26,560 Murphy I'm gene Steinberg you're in the 1077 00:51:38,650 --> 00:51:28,820 parry cast 1078 00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:42,250 thank you for listening to GCS 1079 00:51:51,329 --> 00:51:49,410 attack of the rock ODEs 1080 00:51:53,069 --> 00:51:51,339 has been well-received by critics and 1081 00:51:56,190 --> 00:51:53,079 readers alike it's a thrill a minute 1082 00:51:58,559 --> 00:51:56,200 story you'll never forget a former US 1083 00:52:00,480 --> 00:51:58,569 military intelligence officer is haunted 1084 00:52:02,970 --> 00:52:00,490 by intense dreams about a beautiful 1085 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:02,980 woman pleading for his help after a 1086 00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:06,130 terrible battle in outer space but the 1087 00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:08,230 dreams turn out to be true and 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00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:04,250 standard of paranormal radio and now 1130 00:54:15,530 --> 00:54:12,990 here's Jane Steinberg Loren Coleman tree 1131 00:54:18,109 --> 00:54:15,540 Randall Murphy I'm Jean Steinberg Loren 1132 00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:18,119 continue please well I want to get this 1133 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:21,599 back to you follow gee and June 24th I 1134 00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:24,690 think that what's in the background of 1135 00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:27,599 most people's minds who are really into 1136 00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:31,440 ufology is this is a milestone date and 1137 00:54:38,810 --> 00:54:35,609 on milestone dates people do milestone 1138 00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:38,820 things like killing themselves maybe 1139 00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:40,740 even getting married I don't know 1140 00:54:44,980 --> 00:54:42,510 having some ice cream when they don't 1141 00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:44,990 usually eat ice cream I'm not being 1142 00:54:54,980 --> 00:54:50,040 funny I'm being significantly important 1143 00:54:59,359 --> 00:54:54,990 in my picking that date it's a date that 1144 00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,369 really harmonically magically connects 1145 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:02,160 to individuals and I think that we've 1146 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:04,650 seen looking at the history of some of 1147 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:07,530 these deaths those individuals whether 1148 00:55:16,460 --> 00:55:13,650 they were 58 or 24 or 68 or 94 have some 1149 00:55:20,210 --> 00:55:16,470 place inside of their body and some side 1150 00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:20,220 of their mind chosen June 24th to die on 1151 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:22,140 that date and I think that's something 1152 00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:24,930 that's being ignored and I think there's 1153 00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:27,359 some other dates through the year that 1154 00:55:33,050 --> 00:55:30,119 are being ignored suicide becomes very 1155 00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:33,060 personal and that becomes a personal 1156 00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:35,400 decision for those people that want to 1157 00:55:40,820 --> 00:55:37,260 die that way but I think through 1158 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:40,830 illnesses some people also let their 1159 00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:43,170 body choose the day that's interesting 1160 00:55:50,660 --> 00:55:47,760 let your body choose the date I wish we 1161 00:55:52,820 --> 00:55:50,670 could know how that's done I think that 1162 00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:52,830 all of us will get to that point and 1163 00:55:58,450 --> 00:55:55,619 find out I'm not going to die by suicide 1164 00:56:01,700 --> 00:55:58,460 but I'm certainly sometimes feel like 1165 00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:01,710 the day that I die will be out of my 1166 00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:03,900 choice but then I think about some of 1167 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:06,780 those dates coming up and I want to live 1168 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:08,090 too and I 1169 00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:10,610 certainly I'm going to try let's go 1170 00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,520 briefly back to the people who Chi have 1171 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:15,200 started this discussion the various 1172 00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:17,330 people who died within a short period of 1173 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:19,190 time some we've heard of some we haven't 1174 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:21,530 and I'd like to talk about some of them 1175 00:56:28,210 --> 00:56:24,170 and maybe give some basic observations 1176 00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:28,220 now Adam Parfrey wasn't necessarily 1177 00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:31,250 someone that lots of people would know 1178 00:56:37,210 --> 00:56:33,310 in this field can you tell us about him 1179 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:37,220 well Adam had a whole history of being 1180 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:41,330 in publishing of radical books of he 1181 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:44,410 actually had a press called a muck press 1182 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:49,490 and feral press and in that field he 1183 00:56:57,820 --> 00:56:52,610 would publish some books on strange 1184 00:57:02,320 --> 00:56:57,830 theories weird phenomena UFOs a lot of 1185 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:02,330 things with synchronicities and got very 1186 00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:04,490 involved in that but he was not as 1187 00:57:09,940 --> 00:57:07,280 interested as his father was in having 1188 00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:09,950 his face out there so a lot of people 1189 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:13,280 heard about Adam in the background but 1190 00:57:20,980 --> 00:57:17,570 they nevertheless didn't know what he 1191 00:57:25,530 --> 00:57:20,990 looked like he died a couple of months 1192 00:57:28,450 --> 00:57:25,540 ago in a very strange accident where he 1193 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:28,460 stumbled down the stairs hit his head 1194 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:31,370 went into a coma and died a few days 1195 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:35,890 later at the age of believe he was 62 1196 00:57:42,580 --> 00:57:38,930 and so Adam was kind of a shocker 1197 00:57:45,460 --> 00:57:42,590 I wrote the introduction to his book on 1198 00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:45,470 ritual America where he traveled around 1199 00:57:52,830 --> 00:57:48,640 the United States looking at Masonic 1200 00:57:55,180 --> 00:57:52,840 temples Masonic signs the Mormons 1201 00:57:58,420 --> 00:57:55,190 Bohemian Grove different things like 1202 00:58:04,440 --> 00:57:58,430 that let's go to the next one here on 1203 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:04,450 the list and that would be guy Lyon 1204 00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:10,010 Playfair yeah I don't know guy - well I 1205 00:58:14,350 --> 00:58:12,020 heard about him from a lot of my 1206 00:58:19,830 --> 00:58:14,360 associates in England he was well-known 1207 00:58:21,850 --> 00:58:19,840 in the islands of British Isles were 1208 00:58:23,410 --> 00:58:21,860 investigating a lot of paranoid 1209 00:58:26,590 --> 00:58:23,420 our mole phenomena a lot of ghost 1210 00:58:30,180 --> 00:58:26,600 stories and was really well known over 1211 00:58:32,980 --> 00:58:30,190 there for having quite a following and 1212 00:58:37,870 --> 00:58:32,990 that's the guy that really kicked off 1213 00:58:40,420 --> 00:58:37,880 the wave of deaths like this got a lot 1214 00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:40,430 of attention in England for having died 1215 00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:43,040 a lot of people were kind of shocked by 1216 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:46,160 his death mostly probably because he had 1217 00:58:53,290 --> 00:58:48,250 been in the background doing a lot of 1218 00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:53,300 yeoman's work but really not not too out 1219 00:59:00,130 --> 00:58:56,510 there in the front as with some of these 1220 00:59:02,140 --> 00:59:00,140 other guys next on your big list is of 1221 00:59:06,070 --> 00:59:02,150 course his art bell and we all know who 1222 00:59:08,770 --> 00:59:06,080 art bell was now I heard although I 1223 00:59:10,900 --> 00:59:08,780 guess it wasn't an official report of 1224 00:59:15,130 --> 00:59:10,910 the autopsy that it might have been due 1225 00:59:18,670 --> 00:59:15,140 to smoking yeah I think there was still 1226 00:59:22,060 --> 00:59:18,680 some kind of question with regard to his 1227 00:59:23,950 --> 00:59:22,070 death because very immediately some of 1228 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:23,960 the stories came out that he'd been 1229 00:59:29,290 --> 00:59:26,690 killed by the men in black or something 1230 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:29,300 but that that was to be expected with 1231 00:59:35,950 --> 00:59:33,050 art bell a lot of people was shocked by 1232 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:35,960 his death but he did not have a very 1233 00:59:40,780 --> 00:59:39,050 healthy lifestyle well I don't pretend 1234 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:40,790 to know anything about art bells 1235 00:59:47,860 --> 00:59:44,770 lifestyle he had kind of a unusual life 1236 00:59:49,870 --> 00:59:47,870 anyway so maybe he knew who's gonna go 1237 00:59:54,220 --> 00:59:49,880 out so he wanted to go out with a little 1238 00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,230 bit of mystery okay now Brad Steiger had 1239 01:00:01,780 --> 00:59:56,960 been ill for a while before he died he 1240 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:01,790 did he had been ill he nevertheless was 1241 01:00:08,590 --> 01:00:06,170 a well known guy he had over 250 books 1242 01:00:11,980 --> 01:00:08,600 that he'd authored he'd started very 1243 01:00:16,540 --> 01:00:11,990 young he he actually grew up as gene 1244 01:00:19,330 --> 01:00:16,550 Olson in Iowa was a professor at a 1245 01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:19,340 university I would often talk to him 1246 01:00:24,570 --> 01:00:21,410 about how he was running upstairs to 1247 01:00:28,060 --> 01:00:24,580 write another book he got a divorce 1248 01:00:32,790 --> 01:00:28,070 married a woman who he felt was a star 1249 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:32,800 mate with him and got very involved in 1250 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:35,410 absolutely doing nothing but writing 1251 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:38,130 he's one of the people that actually 1252 01:00:45,210 --> 01:00:41,650 toured around with I mean tracked the 1253 01:00:48,569 --> 01:00:45,220 two which turned out to be the Heaven's 1254 01:00:49,259 --> 01:00:48,579 Gate cult and so he exposed some things 1255 01:00:51,870 --> 01:00:49,269 like that 1256 01:00:54,839 --> 01:00:51,880 way before a lot of people realized what 1257 01:00:57,089 --> 01:00:54,849 was going on and Brad stager by the way 1258 01:00:59,009 --> 01:00:57,099 I think our listeners know helped name 1259 01:01:01,470 --> 01:00:59,019 of the power cast he was one of her 1260 01:01:05,029 --> 01:01:01,480 original guests the first show had G 1261 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:05,039 Moseley also gone and Brent's tiger and 1262 01:01:11,999 --> 01:01:08,890 in the case of Brad we were going to 1263 01:01:14,430 --> 01:01:12,009 call this show power cast world and he 1264 01:01:19,220 --> 01:01:14,440 said why not just the power cast that's 1265 01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:19,230 the history Daniel Cohen also 82 died 1266 01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:24,089 what can we say about Daniel Cohen huh 1267 01:01:31,529 --> 01:01:27,569 Daniel Cohen was a well-known skeptical 1268 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:31,539 author of monster books and UFO books 1269 01:01:38,670 --> 01:01:35,410 the thing about his skepticism he wasn't 1270 01:01:41,130 --> 01:01:38,680 a browbeating skeptic debunker like you 1271 01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:41,140 get from a lot of the individuals that 1272 01:01:46,589 --> 01:01:43,569 we kind of know are going in and 1273 01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:46,599 rewriting every Wikipedia passage to 1274 01:01:52,859 --> 01:01:49,150 make it sound like everything that we're 1275 01:01:56,370 --> 01:01:52,869 doing is pseudoscience Dan Cohen had a 1276 01:01:59,370 --> 01:01:56,380 sense of humor a very very extensive 1277 01:02:02,490 --> 01:01:59,380 sense of humor he also wrote a lot of 1278 01:02:06,269 --> 01:02:02,500 juvenile books the thing about Dan that 1279 01:02:09,950 --> 01:02:06,279 really changed though was the Libyan 1280 01:02:14,460 --> 01:02:09,960 shooting down of the Lockerbie Scotland 1281 01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:14,470 the the airliners his um his daughter 1282 01:02:20,279 --> 01:02:17,200 was on that plane and it just changed 1283 01:02:23,690 --> 01:02:20,289 Dan and his wife into the most visible 1284 01:02:26,970 --> 01:02:23,700 advocates to punish those terrorists and 1285 01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:26,980 he actually lost his sense of humor 1286 01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:29,529 he lost his interest in the unknown and 1287 01:02:34,019 --> 01:02:32,049 the paranormal even though because like 1288 01:02:36,329 --> 01:02:34,029 all of us authors once you write a book 1289 01:02:38,249 --> 01:02:36,339 the book is always going to be out there 1290 01:02:42,420 --> 01:02:38,259 and you're always going to have your 1291 01:02:45,150 --> 01:02:42,430 publisher republishing something so dan 1292 01:02:48,690 --> 01:02:45,160 was still known in the 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01:08:32,899 --> 01:08:28,579 creature he from the very beginning said 1418 01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:32,909 this is what I feel is happening he 1419 01:08:38,299 --> 01:08:35,369 tended to be a true believer he found a 1420 01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:38,309 footprint up in British Columbia he knew 1421 01:08:41,329 --> 01:08:40,710 his wildlife biology backwards and 1422 01:08:43,579 --> 01:08:41,339 forwards 1423 01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:43,589 especially around bears he knew this 1424 01:08:50,749 --> 01:08:46,710 bears did not look like Bigfoot standing 1425 01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:50,759 up and so he became one of these 1426 01:08:56,629 --> 01:08:53,489 individuals with begrudgingly go to 1427 01:08:59,839 --> 01:08:56,639 conferences and speak but he spoke with 1428 01:09:03,019 --> 01:08:59,849 authority as a scientist and and that 1429 01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,029 was a refreshing treat for a lot of us 1430 01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:05,279 that go to these conferences and here 1431 01:09:10,939 --> 01:09:08,369 for my witnesses who tend to you know 1432 01:09:12,890 --> 01:09:10,949 not have any background but just said 1433 01:09:14,979 --> 01:09:12,900 they saw something and so we're all 1434 01:09:18,649 --> 01:09:14,989 supposed to believe it because they 1435 01:09:20,539 --> 01:09:18,659 believed it next on our list is someone 1436 01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:20,549 who has been on the power cast a couple 1437 01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:24,089 of times he was always a fun storyteller 1438 01:09:29,149 --> 01:09:27,049 you'd sit around the campfire if you 1439 01:09:31,220 --> 01:09:29,159 participated in campfires which I 1440 01:09:35,059 --> 01:09:31,230 haven't done in years and you call on JC 1441 01:09:38,299 --> 01:09:35,069 Johnson he was only 53 what happened man 1442 01:09:40,579 --> 01:09:38,309 we still don't know it never has been 1443 01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:40,589 revealed why he died or what he died 1444 01:09:48,559 --> 01:09:44,909 from he was a field worker he was very 1445 01:09:51,859 --> 01:09:48,569 involved in Bigfoot research in the Four 1446 01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:51,869 Corners area working on New Mexico and 1447 01:09:58,129 --> 01:09:55,170 Utah all of those states really match up 1448 01:10:01,339 --> 01:09:58,139 together he once again was one of these 1449 01:10:04,610 --> 01:10:01,349 individuals just had a general 1450 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:04,620 background but a winning personality and 1451 01:10:10,010 --> 01:10:07,050 a lot of people on the outpouring of 1452 01:10:12,860 --> 01:10:10,020 love all over the social media when he 1453 01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:12,870 died I think it had a lot to do with the 1454 01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:16,770 young age and no explanation of why he 1455 01:10:21,140 --> 01:10:19,560 passed away so he's just been one of 1456 01:10:23,330 --> 01:10:21,150 those shockers that occurred 1457 01:10:27,170 --> 01:10:23,340 okay next illness someone I don't 1458 01:10:31,130 --> 01:10:27,180 remember this name Sandra Mansi at age 1459 01:10:34,460 --> 01:10:31,140 74 Sandra Mansi is very important in the 1460 01:10:36,860 --> 01:10:34,470 lake champlain monster field he's the 1461 01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:36,870 one that took the picture that looks 1462 01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:39,890 like it looks like the Loch Ness monster 1463 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:41,880 sticking out of the water 1464 01:10:48,650 --> 01:10:45,690 in July fourth of July weekend in the 1465 01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,660 70s her and her husband to be into kids 1466 01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:50,400 we're having a picnic near Lake 1467 01:10:55,940 --> 01:10:53,040 Champlain she took this picture of 1468 01:10:58,670 --> 01:10:55,950 something she saw in the water took it 1469 01:11:01,040 --> 01:10:58,680 home and threw it in the drawer a few 1470 01:11:03,530 --> 01:11:01,050 years later when she took it out because 1471 01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:03,540 she'd actually said in her family that 1472 01:11:08,780 --> 01:11:06,480 they called it the 300 pound duck 1473 01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:08,790 because they didn't really want to face 1474 01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:11,910 the possibility that they'd actually 1475 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:13,850 seen the monster the Lake Champlain 1476 01:11:20,300 --> 01:11:17,730 monster but National Geographic the 1477 01:11:23,450 --> 01:11:20,310 Smithsonian on different documentaries 1478 01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:23,460 have said Sandra man sees photograph is 1479 01:11:28,940 --> 01:11:26,880 the best most authentic lake monster 1480 01:11:33,500 --> 01:11:28,950 photograph ever taken 1481 01:11:37,010 --> 01:11:33,510 ow Hudson he's the Bigfoot historian 1482 01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:37,020 that lived his life in Willow Creek 1483 01:11:43,070 --> 01:11:40,890 California in 1975 when I went through 1484 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:43,080 Willow Creek investigating Bigfoot 1485 01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,690 reports all through the West there was 1486 01:11:49,220 --> 01:11:47,520 only one person that was talking to 1487 01:11:51,860 --> 01:11:49,230 everybody else and this was a gas 1488 01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:51,870 station owner named Al Hassan 1489 01:11:58,460 --> 01:11:55,440 he became the local historian grew older 1490 01:12:01,790 --> 01:11:58,470 there the Willow Creek China flats 1491 01:12:04,370 --> 01:12:01,800 Museum opened with a lot of Robert 1492 01:12:07,790 --> 01:12:04,380 tetanus and other foot cast and there 1493 01:12:10,490 --> 01:12:07,800 was Al you know retired but he was the 1494 01:12:14,180 --> 01:12:10,500 kind of guy the docent that you would go 1495 01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:14,190 talk to for hours about Bigfoot and he 1496 01:12:18,260 --> 01:12:16,320 knew everything frontwards and backwards 1497 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:18,270 about how big 1498 01:12:26,420 --> 01:12:22,410 started there 1958 how how the Roger 1499 01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:26,430 Patterson film was filmed nearby in 1967 1500 01:12:32,930 --> 01:12:30,330 and Al was the guy and so he he lived a 1501 01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:32,940 long life and really educated many of 1502 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:34,920 the younger people were that are in that 1503 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:37,890 area who are and they don't grow the 1504 01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:40,730 marijuana they're looking for Bigfoot an 1505 01:12:48,850 --> 01:12:43,410 interesting choice Dave 1506 01:12:50,690 --> 01:12:48,860 hilts he was is he the bigfooter 1507 01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:50,700 honestly I'm not familiar with the name 1508 01:12:55,490 --> 01:12:53,130 I don't know all the Bigfoot people yeah 1509 01:12:59,840 --> 01:12:55,500 I think it was just a minor actor in the 1510 01:13:01,880 --> 01:12:59,850 Bigfoot field but in my crypto zulus I I 1511 01:13:04,930 --> 01:13:01,890 try to mention everybody once in a while 1512 01:13:07,310 --> 01:13:04,940 I'll pick out somebody like Dave who 1513 01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:07,320 certainly was interested in Bigfoot 1514 01:13:13,190 --> 01:13:10,080 never became a celebrity but a lot of 1515 01:13:15,380 --> 01:13:13,200 those important people have a big friend 1516 01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:15,390 network that really missed them when 1517 01:13:21,850 --> 01:13:18,810 they pass now of these deaths we've gone 1518 01:13:25,700 --> 01:13:21,860 through in the last segment and a half 1519 01:13:28,820 --> 01:13:25,710 anything look weird to you or unusual or 1520 01:13:30,980 --> 01:13:28,830 was it just normal stuff I'm thinking in 1521 01:13:33,230 --> 01:13:30,990 terms of JC Johnson because he died so 1522 01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:33,240 young but the others seem to have lived 1523 01:13:39,740 --> 01:13:37,530 to a decent age yeah I think what a lot 1524 01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:39,750 of people noticed and what people 1525 01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:42,960 reacted to was the five right in them 1526 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:46,410 the beginning there I think Dan Cohen 1527 01:13:52,940 --> 01:13:50,010 and Brad Steiger died on the same day it 1528 01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:52,950 was and very soon after that Adam and 1529 01:13:59,120 --> 01:13:56,130 right before that out art now so there 1530 01:14:01,480 --> 01:13:59,130 was almost within two weeks there was 1531 01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:01,490 such a clumping that people felt that 1532 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:05,040 that was unusual but statistically 1533 01:14:10,730 --> 01:14:08,010 clumps do occur it's just that we notice 1534 01:14:13,690 --> 01:14:10,740 them when they're people that we have 1535 01:14:17,780 --> 01:14:13,700 been very aware of and then they all die 1536 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:17,790 close together like I said earlier we 1537 01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:19,770 all were expecting somebody else to die 1538 01:14:26,420 --> 01:14:24,090 and it didn't really happen so you know 1539 01:14:28,670 --> 01:14:26,430 that would thankfully a lot of people 1540 01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:28,680 especially in the celebrity death world 1541 01:14:32,180 --> 01:14:31,410 they always talk about deaths come in 1542 01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:32,190 threes but 1543 01:14:36,530 --> 01:14:34,260 they don't come in threes sometimes they 1544 01:14:39,260 --> 01:14:36,540 come in fives sometimes they come in 1545 01:14:42,050 --> 01:14:39,270 twos it's humans that make up these 1546 01:14:44,780 --> 01:14:42,060 clusters someone has to do it I was 1547 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:44,790 looking up June 24th there is a survey 1548 01:14:48,740 --> 01:14:46,650 of celebrity deaths which won't 1549 01:14:50,750 --> 01:14:48,750 necessarily include our fields it 1550 01:14:54,340 --> 01:14:50,760 mentioned Eli Wallach very well-known 1551 01:14:57,229 --> 01:14:54,350 actor was 98 it mentioned Paul Winchell 1552 01:14:59,530 --> 01:14:57,239 of course fans requests and voice actor 1553 01:15:02,750 --> 01:14:59,540 2005 he was also a very good actor and 1554 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:02,760 the debt came to me also another actor 1555 01:15:09,860 --> 01:15:06,090 we've heard of Brian Keith as lye names 1556 01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:09,870 here I do not know okay so I'm not going 1557 01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:12,239 to mention them but those are the ones 1558 01:15:17,420 --> 01:15:16,230 and Jackie Gleason in 1987 it was very 1559 01:15:19,250 --> 01:15:17,430 UFO related 1560 01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:19,260 yes I know now that's the interesting 1561 01:15:22,370 --> 01:15:20,940 thing about Jackie Gleason we heard all 1562 01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:22,380 these stories also someone else by the 1563 01:15:29,780 --> 01:15:24,690 way peripherally mentioned in terms of 1564 01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:29,790 UFOs was Willie Leigh yes okay okay 1565 01:15:35,150 --> 01:15:32,880 so the point being here is in the case 1566 01:15:38,180 --> 01:15:35,160 of Jackie Gleason we heard all sorts of 1567 01:15:41,209 --> 01:15:38,190 stories about what Jackie Gleason might 1568 01:15:43,850 --> 01:15:41,219 have known or not known and supposedly 1569 01:15:46,459 --> 01:15:43,860 he had a very very big library on UFO 1570 01:15:48,290 --> 01:15:46,469 related material and I remember 1571 01:15:51,740 --> 01:15:48,300 listening to him shows you how old I am 1572 01:15:53,450 --> 01:15:51,750 on the Long John Neville's show and he 1573 01:15:56,209 --> 01:15:53,460 may have been a believer but he was a 1574 01:15:58,910 --> 01:15:56,219 skeptical believer and he would get on 1575 01:16:01,790 --> 01:15:58,920 there and he would ask some pretty tough 1576 01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,800 questions really serious you can't say 1577 01:16:06,350 --> 01:16:03,600 this is Jackie Gleason I'm watching him 1578 01:16:09,459 --> 01:16:06,360 as the poor soul on TV or Ralph Kramden 1579 01:16:13,820 --> 01:16:09,469 and that guy was really really smart 1580 01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:13,830 smart as a whip anything weird about his 1581 01:16:17,180 --> 01:16:15,600 participation in the world of the 1582 01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:17,190 paranormal we'll find out in the next 1583 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:18,330 segment or maybe we won't 1584 01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:20,810 you'll have another chance at this 1585 01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:24,210 Lauren let's do it with Lauren Randall 1586 01:16:42,180 --> 01:16:38,209 [Music] 1587 01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:42,190 you are listening to GPS 1588 01:16:50,700 --> 01:16:48,370 visit GP and live.com today this is Fred 1589 01:16:51,090 --> 01:16:50,710 hi I'm Fred Fred's a repeater I tend to 1590 01:16:52,740 --> 01:16:51,100 repeat 1591 01:16:54,780 --> 01:16:52,750 fred has a business I do have a business 1592 01:16:56,940 --> 01:16:54,790 and a problem bred repeats the same 1593 01:16:59,130 --> 01:16:56,950 tired advertising over and over and now 1594 01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,140 it doesn't work over and over but fred 1595 01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:01,600 is about to see of this vision 1596 01:17:04,770 --> 01:17:03,010 advertising on the genesis 1597 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seventy one that's eight hundred 1694 01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:45,180 eighty three one zero seven seventy one 1695 01:21:02,600 --> 01:20:59,210 this is actually you're listening to the 1696 01:21:13,490 --> 01:21:02,610 podcast the gold standard of paranormal 1697 01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:16,170 some people think I'm embarrassing or 1698 01:21:21,060 --> 01:21:18,130 guess when I make them do the power cast 1699 01:21:22,860 --> 01:21:21,070 the answer is here is they actually grab 1700 01:21:25,170 --> 01:21:22,870 me by the neck and say I have to do this 1701 01:21:27,930 --> 01:21:25,180 no Lauren never does that he's nice 1702 01:21:29,670 --> 01:21:27,940 Jackie Gleason anything weird about him 1703 01:21:32,490 --> 01:21:29,680 other than being a great comedian a 1704 01:21:34,290 --> 01:21:32,500 great actor and someone who died too 1705 01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:34,300 young but was interested in the 1706 01:21:40,230 --> 01:21:37,120 paranormal a couple of things I've heard 1707 01:21:44,610 --> 01:21:40,240 about is that his library was vast as 1708 01:21:48,060 --> 01:21:44,620 you mentioned heavy volumes and UFO some 1709 01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:48,070 people even said when he died because of 1710 01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:50,800 his wealth he was able to amass the 1711 01:21:57,540 --> 01:21:54,400 largest UFO library in the United States 1712 01:22:00,330 --> 01:21:57,550 at the time another thing he had a very 1713 01:22:03,450 --> 01:22:00,340 intimate relationship with Richard Nixon 1714 01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:03,460 and there were rumors going around that 1715 01:22:11,550 --> 01:22:08,530 Richard Nixon showed hangar 18 to Jackie 1716 01:22:14,340 --> 01:22:11,560 Gleason and showed him the bodies now 1717 01:22:17,190 --> 01:22:14,350 obviously maybe there's no bodies there 1718 01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:17,200 but the rumor is there the other thing 1719 01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:19,930 was that Jackie Gleason may have been 1720 01:22:25,260 --> 01:22:22,570 skeptical and may have been very serious 1721 01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:25,270 about the subject but he actually pushed 1722 01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:28,690 for a lot of the disclosure stuff that's 1723 01:22:36,540 --> 01:22:33,130 in the wind nowadays and there's reports 1724 01:22:39,780 --> 01:22:36,550 that he Jackie Gleason was the one 1725 01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:39,790 responsible for Richard Nixon releasing 1726 01:22:45,810 --> 01:22:43,330 some records to the public so I'm not 1727 01:22:47,820 --> 01:22:45,820 sure any of that's true it's all the 1728 01:22:50,820 --> 01:22:47,830 rumors that circulate around Jackie 1729 01:22:54,090 --> 01:22:50,830 Gleason he was much more than a comedian 1730 01:22:56,490 --> 01:22:54,100 that's for sure so what's your take 1731 01:22:59,010 --> 01:22:56,500 since we're still on strange deaths the 1732 01:23:02,070 --> 01:22:59,020 Marconi murders if you know what I'm 1733 01:23:04,260 --> 01:23:02,080 talking about no I don't know all right 1734 01:23:07,740 --> 01:23:04,270 well this was something I ran across 1735 01:23:09,570 --> 01:23:07,750 actually first as research I think that 1736 01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:09,580 James Patterson had done for a novel 1737 01:23:14,820 --> 01:23:12,040 he'd written about UFOs but it turned 1738 01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:14,830 out that their actual cases where 1739 01:23:20,370 --> 01:23:18,130 between 1982 and 1990 there was a 1740 01:23:21,729 --> 01:23:20,380 cluster of strange and often grisly 1741 01:23:23,799 --> 01:23:21,739 deaths among scientists 1742 01:23:26,500 --> 01:23:23,809 some computer experts working in 1743 01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:26,510 Britain's high Tech's defense ministry 1744 01:23:31,989 --> 01:23:28,010 that is connected with the Star Wars 1745 01:23:34,930 --> 01:23:31,999 program there's a lot of them and say 1746 01:23:36,759 --> 01:23:34,940 going through the dates for example June 1747 01:23:38,620 --> 01:23:36,769 actually is only mentioned in one of 1748 01:23:41,140 --> 01:23:38,630 them but there's some really bizarre 1749 01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:41,150 deaths that they called suicides that 1750 01:23:46,689 --> 01:23:44,239 other ones they're left open and really 1751 01:23:49,089 --> 01:23:46,699 kind of evidence to the contrary it's 1752 01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:49,099 quite interesting if you maybe take the 1753 01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:52,610 time to look it up yeah and I know that 1754 01:23:56,910 --> 01:23:54,730 there's been a lot of talk and 1755 01:24:00,729 --> 01:23:56,920 conspiracy theories about 1756 01:24:03,790 --> 01:24:00,739 microbiologists deaths and there's only 1757 01:24:06,009 --> 01:24:03,800 so much time I have though so I haven't 1758 01:24:07,660 --> 01:24:06,019 looked into either one of those what I 1759 01:24:10,810 --> 01:24:07,670 wanted to bring up because it's always 1760 01:24:14,020 --> 01:24:10,820 fun to talk about as a superhero fan the 1761 01:24:15,970 --> 01:24:14,030 curse of Superman people connected with 1762 01:24:17,890 --> 01:24:15,980 Superman movies that let me read some of 1763 01:24:19,209 --> 01:24:17,900 them here if this makes any sense of 1764 01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:19,219 course we all know about Christopher 1765 01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:21,650 Reeve he was injured in a riding 1766 01:24:29,830 --> 01:24:25,280 accident another one that really wasn't 1767 01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:29,840 so much a death but a career ender and 1768 01:24:36,399 --> 01:24:33,050 that was Kirk Alyn he was so closely 1769 01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:36,409 identified with the two movie serials in 1770 01:24:42,399 --> 01:24:39,440 which he played Superman in the 1940s he 1771 01:24:44,830 --> 01:24:42,409 could really never get another really 1772 01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:44,840 good job in the business that's another 1773 01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:49,610 one mm-hmm also but Collier he played 1774 01:24:57,279 --> 01:24:54,530 Superman and radio but the only thing he 1775 01:24:59,140 --> 01:24:57,289 really was able to do other than that 1776 01:25:04,209 --> 01:24:59,150 was a quiz show and he died at the age 1777 01:25:07,569 --> 01:25:04,219 of 61 that's another one also a child 1778 01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:07,579 actor Lee Quigley who played the young 1779 01:25:12,189 --> 01:25:10,489 kal-el in the original Superman movie he 1780 01:25:15,089 --> 01:25:12,199 died at the age of fourteen probably 1781 01:25:19,180 --> 01:25:15,099 never heard of him George Reeves died 1782 01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:19,190 supposedly at the age of 45 of what may 1783 01:25:25,629 --> 01:25:21,199 or may not have been a self-inflicted 1784 01:25:29,229 --> 01:25:25,639 gunshot wound and then of course there's 1785 01:25:32,469 --> 01:25:29,239 a story called Hollywood kryptonite and 1786 01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:32,479 of course also that Marlon Brando who 1787 01:25:37,780 --> 01:25:35,570 played jor-el in the original Superman 1788 01:25:40,209 --> 01:25:37,790 movie ran up on some hard times in his 1789 01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:40,219 life after he did that movie he also 1790 01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:46,250 lost relatives who died by suicide or 1791 01:25:51,339 --> 01:25:48,320 got killed somebody got killed in this 1792 01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:51,349 family Marlon Brando another example of 1793 01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:53,360 course is Margot Kidder 1794 01:25:59,859 --> 01:25:57,920 we played Lois Lane she suffered from 1795 01:26:02,709 --> 01:25:59,869 bipolar disorder but that was before the 1796 01:26:06,459 --> 01:26:02,719 movie and she'd go missing for days at a 1797 01:26:08,819 --> 01:26:06,469 time and sometime later she was found in 1798 01:26:12,189 --> 01:26:08,829 someone's backyard confused 1799 01:26:13,419 --> 01:26:12,199 she died recently but I don't know 1800 01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:13,429 whether that's part of the curse of 1801 01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:17,690 Superman or not Richard Pryor appeared 1802 01:26:25,149 --> 01:26:21,679 in Superman 3 three years later he was 1803 01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:25,159 diagnosed with multiple sclerosis so 1804 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:26,090 that's kind of weird 1805 01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:28,010 that's Richard Pryor let me see if 1806 01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:30,560 there's anybody else there of course we 1807 01:26:34,569 --> 01:26:32,239 already have the picture of Christopher 1808 01:26:38,379 --> 01:26:34,579 Reeve but you have to look here at in 1809 01:26:43,959 --> 01:26:38,389 terms of being typecast in movies that 1810 01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:43,969 was more the province of people in the 1811 01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:47,090 40s 50s and 60s now actors can go back 1812 01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:49,040 and forth another person suffer from 1813 01:26:55,470 --> 01:26:51,770 Superman by the way was Jerry Siegel one 1814 01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:55,480 of the creators who made next to nothing 1815 01:27:02,560 --> 01:26:59,679 from this character during his lifetime 1816 01:27:04,419 --> 01:27:02,570 his family had to sue Warner's to get 1817 01:27:07,419 --> 01:27:04,429 some money the guy made practically 1818 01:27:10,569 --> 01:27:07,429 nothing but that's typical of Hollywood 1819 01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:10,579 that's just Hollywood story right reven 1820 01:27:17,740 --> 01:27:13,369 reeves but the root word and so you have 1821 01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:17,750 Keanu Reeves and he played a Superman in 1822 01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:20,570 the matrix and so they're seeing that 1823 01:27:26,430 --> 01:27:23,570 maybe he's in line for some curses 1824 01:27:29,410 --> 01:27:26,440 himself well I think in the case of the 1825 01:27:33,010 --> 01:27:29,420 early Superman characters the curse was 1826 01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:33,020 mostly typecasting because we don't talk 1827 01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:36,800 about for example Nowell Neal who played 1828 01:27:42,580 --> 01:27:40,250 Lois Lane in the original Superman 1829 01:27:46,049 --> 01:27:42,590 serials and took over the role from 1830 01:27:48,359 --> 01:27:46,059 Phyllis Coates in the TV series 1831 01:27:50,429 --> 01:27:48,369 and in that case there she never had 1832 01:27:52,500 --> 01:27:50,439 really much in the way of acting jobs 1833 01:27:54,809 --> 01:27:52,510 except towards the end of her life she 1834 01:27:56,699 --> 01:27:54,819 appeared briefly in Superman Returns and 1835 01:27:59,579 --> 01:27:56,709 you could see her for about three 1836 01:28:00,929 --> 01:27:59,589 seconds in Superman the movie but after 1837 01:28:02,669 --> 01:28:00,939 that I think she worked for the 1838 01:28:07,709 --> 01:28:02,679 publicity department of one of the movie 1839 01:28:11,699 --> 01:28:07,719 studios her career was toast Lois Lane 1840 01:28:16,409 --> 01:28:11,709 that was it Jack Larsen who played Jimmy 1841 01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:16,419 Olsen had no career on TV in the movies 1842 01:28:20,399 --> 01:28:18,639 for many years until he was in his 1843 01:28:25,619 --> 01:28:20,409 sixties and seventies and then got some 1844 01:28:27,599 --> 01:28:25,629 bit parts on some shows before then he 1845 01:28:30,329 --> 01:28:27,609 had no career he became a producer and 1846 01:28:33,899 --> 01:28:30,339 playwright so that's an example guy 1847 01:28:36,869 --> 01:28:33,909 played Perry White in Superman TV show 1848 01:28:38,599 --> 01:28:36,879 he was you know an elderly man so I 1849 01:28:42,089 --> 01:28:38,609 think he died a year or two after that 1850 01:28:44,009 --> 01:28:42,099 so nobody that anyone would recall 1851 01:28:45,599 --> 01:28:44,019 except the people who played the 1852 01:28:47,819 --> 01:28:45,609 supporting roles the character actors 1853 01:28:51,869 --> 01:28:47,829 from the original Adventures of Superman 1854 01:28:53,759 --> 01:28:51,879 really went on to anything after that 1855 01:28:57,540 --> 01:28:53,769 series except for Chuck Connors the 1856 01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:57,550 rifleman he appeared in one episode well 1857 01:29:02,489 --> 01:29:00,159 that's all sort of interesting tribute 1858 01:29:04,889 --> 01:29:02,499 but really I mean out of a planet filled 1859 01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:04,899 with billions of people and literally 1860 01:29:08,369 --> 01:29:06,729 tens of thousands of people involved in 1861 01:29:12,299 --> 01:29:08,379 the movie industry you're bound to come 1862 01:29:15,419 --> 01:29:12,309 up with these kinds of statistics like I 1863 01:29:20,069 --> 01:29:15,429 just for example okay I just now looked 1864 01:29:22,919 --> 01:29:20,079 up the people who have been on Star Trek 1865 01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:22,929 Dead Star Trek actors actresses and 1866 01:29:29,959 --> 01:29:26,530 there's like about a hundred so I it 1867 01:29:32,009 --> 01:29:29,969 really does it really mean anything I'm 1868 01:29:35,069 --> 01:29:32,019 thinking what we're doing is we're just 1869 01:29:37,349 --> 01:29:35,079 looking at specific areas that we find 1870 01:29:39,239 --> 01:29:37,359 interesting and are involved in pop 1871 01:29:40,589 --> 01:29:39,249 culture and then pulling out a bunch of 1872 01:29:42,389 --> 01:29:40,599 names that we're all familiar with and 1873 01:29:42,779 --> 01:29:42,399 then making more out of it than we need 1874 01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:42,789 to 1875 01:29:47,279 --> 01:29:45,489 I mean Star Trek a hundred people I mean 1876 01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:47,289 I can't I was going to list them but it 1877 01:29:51,989 --> 01:29:49,689 would take me what twenty minutes go 1878 01:29:54,089 --> 01:29:51,999 through who they all were and remember 1879 01:29:55,859 --> 01:29:54,099 they use hundreds and hundreds of actors 1880 01:29:58,559 --> 01:29:55,869 over the years and Star Trek we've got 1881 01:29:59,970 --> 01:29:58,569 more tracking to do Finnegan I suppose 1882 01:30:01,979 --> 01:29:59,980 we can take any popular 1883 01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:01,989 TV show especially one that becomes a 1884 01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:04,450 cultural phenomenon look at the actors 1885 01:30:10,860 --> 01:30:07,090 who appeared on it and very likely find 1886 01:30:13,140 --> 01:30:10,870 some very tragic stories about careers 1887 01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:13,150 that came and went and all that sort of 1888 01:30:19,500 --> 01:30:14,800 thing so maybe we're pushing the 1889 01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:19,510 envelope too much as Randall says but 1890 01:30:24,510 --> 01:30:21,850 it's a lot of fun anyway and maybe we'll 1891 01:30:27,660 --> 01:30:24,520 drift off to another subject probably a 1892 01:30:30,270 --> 01:30:27,670 lot more important as we progress with 1893 01:30:41,850 --> 01:30:30,280 Lauryn Jean and Randall you're in the 1894 01:30:43,250 --> 01:30:41,860 pear cast thank you for listening to GCN 1895 01:30:47,839 --> 01:30:43,260 [Music] 1896 01:30:50,330 --> 01:30:47,849 be sure to visit GCN live.com today do 1897 01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:50,340 you need a website well you can get a 1898 01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:52,800 great deal on hosting services with 1899 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survived 1996 01:35:18,209 --> 01:35:15,389 the first hit record if they get one 1997 01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:18,219 well you know the one-hit wonder is very 1998 01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:21,040 common the thing that you need to do of 1999 01:35:29,220 --> 01:35:25,119 course is do a statistical study is it 2000 01:35:32,580 --> 01:35:29,230 in like for instance I with some other 2001 01:35:36,780 --> 01:35:32,590 psychologist did a statistical study of 2002 01:35:39,709 --> 01:35:36,790 how often is suicide among baseball 2003 01:35:42,209 --> 01:35:39,719 players major league baseball players 2004 01:35:44,939 --> 01:35:42,219 significant in other words is that more 2005 01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:44,949 than the national average and what we 2006 01:35:53,399 --> 01:35:49,360 found because you have a certain stud of 2007 01:35:56,010 --> 01:35:53,409 study of all database you know how many 2008 01:35:56,669 --> 01:35:56,020 baseball players have come to the major 2009 01:36:00,780 --> 01:35:56,679 leagues 2010 01:36:03,780 --> 01:36:00,790 you can oftentimes most of the time find 2011 01:36:07,350 --> 01:36:03,790 out if they died by suicide and then 2012 01:36:10,260 --> 01:36:07,360 figure out if that is normal or is it 2013 01:36:13,919 --> 01:36:10,270 abnormal the thing that we found over 2014 01:36:17,010 --> 01:36:13,929 and over again is that why it may be a 2015 01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:17,020 little bit higher than the norm or males 2016 01:36:24,270 --> 01:36:20,170 among the United States population what 2017 01:36:28,260 --> 01:36:24,280 was extremely significant with so many 2018 01:36:31,140 --> 01:36:28,270 pitchers we're killing themselves and of 2019 01:36:34,339 --> 01:36:31,150 those even though 10 to 20 percent at 2020 01:36:38,339 --> 01:36:34,349 any one time can be left handed pitchers 2021 01:36:42,030 --> 01:36:38,349 every one of the suicide the statistics 2022 01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:42,040 were of right-handed pitchers so you got 2023 01:36:46,169 --> 01:36:43,840 to break it down in other words and 2024 01:36:51,270 --> 01:36:46,179 that's what I did looking at the 2025 01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:51,280 poltergeist movie curse and the regards 2026 01:36:58,820 --> 01:36:55,570 to the Exorcist curse only four or five 2027 01:37:02,160 --> 01:36:58,830 individuals and you had a population of 2028 01:37:04,380 --> 01:37:02,170 finite population of actors and cat 2029 01:37:07,380 --> 01:37:04,390 members you then look at the Mothman 2030 01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:07,390 movies where you also have a finite 2031 01:37:13,729 --> 01:37:10,449 number of cast members and eyewitnesses 2032 01:37:16,740 --> 01:37:13,739 and to get a hundred individual names 2033 01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:16,750 then you say okay you've got something 2034 01:37:23,250 --> 01:37:19,600 statistically significant here as far as 2035 01:37:27,300 --> 01:37:23,260 a curse I agree with Randall that I 2036 01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:27,310 think that looking at the suicide curse 2037 01:37:33,209 --> 01:37:30,489 or the the death curse among the 2038 01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:33,219 Superman movies is not really 2039 01:37:39,450 --> 01:37:35,890 significant because you're picking out 2040 01:37:41,459 --> 01:37:39,460 individuals that died or have bad luck 2041 01:37:44,490 --> 01:37:41,469 or whatever and you're gonna find that 2042 01:37:47,700 --> 01:37:44,500 in any big kind of database but if you 2043 01:37:50,459 --> 01:37:47,710 look more deeply and can really back it 2044 01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:50,469 up with numbers then I start scratching 2045 01:37:54,959 --> 01:37:53,290 my head here's something weird since 2046 01:37:57,540 --> 01:37:54,969 we're supposed to be kind of talking 2047 01:38:00,060 --> 01:37:57,550 about the paranormal a bit and we were 2048 01:38:01,919 --> 01:38:00,070 talking about musicians I remember and 2049 01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:01,929 I'm not sure if you guys can think of 2050 01:38:07,790 --> 01:38:05,050 any examples yourself and maybe these 2051 01:38:11,220 --> 01:38:07,800 were just miss reporting's but I recall 2052 01:38:13,050 --> 01:38:11,230 there was a few musicians one of them 2053 01:38:15,959 --> 01:38:13,060 David Crosby really comes to mind it's 2054 01:38:17,850 --> 01:38:15,969 being recorded to have died and then a 2055 01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:17,860 couple of years later he comes out with 2056 01:38:23,610 --> 01:38:21,730 a book and he's not dead and then there 2057 01:38:26,580 --> 01:38:23,620 was of course this brings up the whole 2058 01:38:31,140 --> 01:38:26,590 issue with Mandela who people thought 2059 01:38:32,610 --> 01:38:31,150 died in prison and yet all of a sudden 2060 01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:32,620 he was released and goes on to become 2061 01:38:38,450 --> 01:38:36,730 the leader there so what about that sort 2062 01:38:42,300 --> 01:38:38,460 of thing the Mandela effect or the 2063 01:38:45,630 --> 01:38:42,310 Mengele effect as it was a cult x-file I 2064 01:38:48,419 --> 01:38:45,640 still haven't seen that I've got very 2065 01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:48,429 good episode I really think that that's 2066 01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:51,370 a modern myth kind of an interesting way 2067 01:38:54,900 --> 01:38:53,199 there's people that are always gonna 2068 01:38:56,910 --> 01:38:54,910 have gaps in their memories and then 2069 01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:56,920 they're find other people with gaps in 2070 01:39:01,950 --> 01:38:58,330 their memories and they think it's the 2071 01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:01,960 Mandela effect yeah okay it may also be 2072 01:39:05,610 --> 01:39:03,850 the Roswell effect because people 2073 01:39:07,500 --> 01:39:05,620 remember Roswell differently and that 2074 01:39:11,790 --> 01:39:07,510 certainly made investigating that case 2075 01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:11,800 pretty much difficult very true but John 2076 01:39:15,690 --> 01:39:13,810 keel for instance was reported to have 2077 01:39:18,510 --> 01:39:15,700 died two times 2078 01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:18,520 before he actually died and the rumors 2079 01:39:23,220 --> 01:39:20,110 were going around so much I actually 2080 01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:23,230 called him up just if he was still alive 2081 01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:26,770 and they said to me I'm still alive but 2082 01:39:31,910 --> 01:39:28,570 I'll come to the funeral I'll be the one 2083 01:39:37,260 --> 01:39:35,400 he always had a good sense of humor so 2084 01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:37,270 we figured that a lot of this Mandela 2085 01:39:44,970 --> 01:39:39,520 effect is just misreporting by the media 2086 01:39:45,930 --> 01:39:44,980 and there's really nothing more to it or 2087 01:39:48,570 --> 01:39:45,940 do you think that maybe is something 2088 01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:48,580 kind of paranormal and in terms of 2089 01:39:53,690 --> 01:39:50,800 people seem to recall not just dead 2090 01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:53,700 people but different situations just 2091 01:39:59,310 --> 01:39:56,890 really some really bizarre stories if 2092 01:40:01,410 --> 01:39:59,320 you look into the whole thing this is 2093 01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:01,420 not even possible to misremember some of 2094 01:40:06,420 --> 01:40:03,130 this stuff if the stories are true 2095 01:40:09,300 --> 01:40:06,430 they're just completely different than 2096 01:40:11,820 --> 01:40:09,310 what people actually recall them let's 2097 01:40:13,740 --> 01:40:11,830 say completely misremember a huge 2098 01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:13,750 portion of their own life kind of thing 2099 01:40:21,420 --> 01:40:16,330 right like that guy Jean didn't he do 2100 01:40:24,180 --> 01:40:21,430 something before para cast I think 2101 01:40:26,460 --> 01:40:24,190 people are hoping that wouldn't be here 2102 01:40:29,670 --> 01:40:26,470 but unfortunately I am the rumors of my 2103 01:40:33,150 --> 01:40:29,680 death so far having greatly exaggerated 2104 01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:33,160 by Kyle wonder when there will be a last 2105 01:40:38,610 --> 01:40:36,610 episode and whether I'll be alive before 2106 01:40:42,690 --> 01:40:38,620 or after that episode before I kick the 2107 01:40:46,350 --> 01:40:42,700 bucket I don't know I was recently 2108 01:40:48,900 --> 01:40:46,360 invited to be on a radio show by another 2109 01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:48,910 person that you all know and he kept 2110 01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:50,560 saying to me yeah I'll do it on 2111 01:40:55,980 --> 01:40:53,170 such-and-such a date if I'm still here 2112 01:40:58,860 --> 01:40:55,990 and I thought that was a really bizarre 2113 01:41:02,460 --> 01:40:58,870 way to say that he might not be there 2114 01:41:08,190 --> 01:41:02,470 anymore well that's one way of doing it 2115 01:41:15,150 --> 01:41:08,200 though is there anything though other 2116 01:41:17,820 --> 01:41:15,160 than just coincidences the ability of a 2117 01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:17,830 human - maybe sense when death is near 2118 01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:20,050 anything mysterious by any of these 2119 01:41:27,260 --> 01:41:22,210 stuff we're talking about 2120 01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:27,270 well I think I put myself on the line I 2121 01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:30,400 try to give predictions based upon past 2122 01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:34,090 human behaviors and see how close I can 2123 01:41:38,310 --> 01:41:34,570 get 2124 01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:38,320 that's why I put on social media that on 2125 01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:42,400 June 24th of the year 2018 I think 2126 01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:45,280 there'll be something in the paranormal 2127 01:41:50,970 --> 01:41:48,400 ufology community that will shake people 2128 01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:50,980 I'm hoping I'm wrong I'm hoping there's 2129 01:41:58,350 --> 01:41:54,490 no friend of mine that I know that is a 2130 01:42:01,380 --> 01:41:58,360 UFO writer that dies in anyway I'm 2131 01:42:05,430 --> 01:42:01,390 hoping no building blows up I'm hoping 2132 01:42:09,900 --> 01:42:05,440 that there's not a reef or a June 24th 2133 01:42:13,230 --> 01:42:09,910 connection but I did this as and I was 2134 01:42:15,300 --> 01:42:13,240 even written up in a blog called 2135 01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:15,310 dangerous minds about the man who 2136 01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:19,570 predicted Aurora because I predicted in 2137 01:42:28,740 --> 01:42:23,890 the days before Aurora Colorado where 2138 01:42:30,930 --> 01:42:28,750 the the you know the Batman movie The 2139 01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:30,940 Dark Knight that there was going to be 2140 01:42:37,890 --> 01:42:33,730 something awful happen and i pinpointed 2141 01:42:40,110 --> 01:42:37,900 it to that movie and it happened and I 2142 01:42:42,420 --> 01:42:40,120 think that that's there's been 12 2143 01:42:45,450 --> 01:42:42,430 incidences like that that I've predicted 2144 01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:45,460 before they've happened and I've put it 2145 01:42:51,710 --> 01:42:50,080 on line I put it in print so that people 2146 01:42:55,740 --> 01:42:51,720 can say you know you're you're just 2147 01:42:57,450 --> 01:42:55,750 trying to see if it happens and then you 2148 01:42:59,310 --> 01:42:57,460 forget about the ones that don't happen 2149 01:43:02,010 --> 01:42:59,320 well I don't forget about the ones that 2150 01:43:05,370 --> 01:43:02,020 don't happen but I certainly know that 2151 01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:05,380 my instincts tend to be right on target 2152 01:43:11,010 --> 01:43:08,800 oftentimes but you have no psychic 2153 01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:11,020 powers that we know about her no I don't 2154 01:43:17,610 --> 01:43:13,600 you're not psychic you're not psychic 2155 01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:17,620 Loren or psycho Loren I'm not psychic 2156 01:43:23,130 --> 01:43:20,560 course and I actually whenever somebody 2157 01:43:26,940 --> 01:43:23,140 says you're psychic Lorne no I'm not I 2158 01:43:29,370 --> 01:43:26,950 just study human behaviors and I predict 2159 01:43:33,900 --> 01:43:29,380 things based upon past human behaviors 2160 01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:33,910 and it's very very much a futurist kind 2161 01:43:37,770 --> 01:43:35,890 of point of view the few 2162 01:43:40,170 --> 01:43:37,780 tourists are really most successful 2163 01:43:42,540 --> 01:43:40,180 whenever they take all of that data and 2164 01:43:44,270 --> 01:43:42,550 put it in their little computer their 2165 01:43:46,440 --> 01:43:44,280 head and they come out with the 2166 01:43:49,860 --> 01:43:46,450 predictions but it's nothing psychic 2167 01:43:52,470 --> 01:43:49,870 about it it's very good to know I'm just 2168 01:43:57,660 --> 01:43:52,480 so pleased to know that there's nothing 2169 01:44:01,470 --> 01:43:57,670 weird now getting back to this though we 2170 01:44:05,340 --> 01:44:01,480 do have the stories over the years about 2171 01:44:09,420 --> 01:44:05,350 people who supposedly died in the UFO 2172 01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:09,430 field due to some kind of foul play or 2173 01:44:16,050 --> 01:44:12,400 some 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James McDonald MK Jessup etcetera 2256 01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:10,530 deaths On June 24th is there a UFO curse 2257 01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:14,650 are there UFOs why do people care 2258 01:48:21,630 --> 01:48:18,970 is there a curse do people actually a 2259 01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:21,640 really good question I mean why do 2260 01:48:27,180 --> 01:48:24,490 people care about UFOs we in the 2261 01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:27,190 communities tend to think that it's one 2262 01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:29,440 of the most important things in the 2263 01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:32,320 world because if it's just if it's 2264 01:48:37,740 --> 01:48:33,970 proven scientifically to the 2265 01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:37,750 satisfaction of the skeptics then we can 2266 01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:39,280 say well we know we're not alone in the 2267 01:48:43,950 --> 01:48:41,290 universe and for some reason that really 2268 01:48:45,570 --> 01:48:43,960 matters to us but it's it's really 2269 01:48:49,410 --> 01:48:45,580 interesting when you come across people 2270 01:48:51,090 --> 01:48:49,420 who it just doesn't matter to whether we 2271 01:48:55,020 --> 01:48:51,100 were alone in the universe or not their 2272 01:49:01,110 --> 01:48:55,030 golf game is more important absolutely I 2273 01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:01,120 mean I remember in 1969 coming home from 2274 01:49:06,150 --> 01:49:03,520 working in a mental hospital with my 2275 01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:06,160 co-workers we were all recreational 2276 01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:09,970 therapists we're going over the little 2277 01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:12,250 hills in southern Illinois and all of a 2278 01:49:17,130 --> 01:49:14,650 sudden a little Karmann Ghia and I was 2279 01:49:19,740 --> 01:49:17,140 sitting on the hump and they're right in 2280 01:49:23,370 --> 01:49:19,750 front of us crossing the road was a 2281 01:49:25,530 --> 01:49:23,380 gigantic black panther and I saw it 2282 01:49:29,340 --> 01:49:25,540 clearly and everybody saw it clearly and 2283 01:49:31,460 --> 01:49:29,350 of course being a cryptozoologist even 2284 01:49:33,900 --> 01:49:31,470 though I did have to have a real job I 2285 01:49:35,490 --> 01:49:33,910 said let's go back let's see if we can 2286 01:49:38,820 --> 01:49:35,500 find footprints let's see if we can find 2287 01:49:41,150 --> 01:49:38,830 evidence yeah this was late at night and 2288 01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:41,160 what did everybody that I was with say 2289 01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:44,530 no no I want to go home and have a beer 2290 01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:46,960 I'm gonna go home and see my wife I'm 2291 01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:49,410 gonna go home and we'll take a nap 2292 01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:52,810 humans don't care giant black panther 2293 01:49:55,649 --> 01:49:54,250 are we talking about just like regular 2294 01:49:58,529 --> 01:49:55,659 black panther or wheat 2295 01:50:01,739 --> 01:49:58,539 like super big like territor inversion 2296 01:50:04,529 --> 01:50:01,749 of the cat it was a black panther that 2297 01:50:07,319 --> 01:50:04,539 the tail was on one side of the road and 2298 01:50:08,609 --> 01:50:07,329 the nose was on the other side wide like 2299 01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:08,619 this thing would have to be like as big 2300 01:50:13,379 --> 01:50:11,199 as a horse or something at least her big 2301 01:50:16,169 --> 01:50:13,389 girl southern now I know why the roads 2302 01:50:20,009 --> 01:50:16,179 are smaller but still you know was a 2303 01:50:22,350 --> 01:50:20,019 narrow dirt not dirt but two-lane little 2304 01:50:25,049 --> 01:50:22,360 highway but Black Panthers aren't 2305 01:50:27,179 --> 01:50:25,059 supposed to exist anyway in the United 2306 01:50:30,359 --> 01:50:27,189 States so that was the most remarkable 2307 01:50:32,909 --> 01:50:30,369 thing the size size didn't matter as 2308 01:50:34,919 --> 01:50:32,919 much as it actually was there and it was 2309 01:50:36,719 --> 01:50:34,929 crossing the road there were lots of 2310 01:50:39,209 --> 01:50:36,729 other reports of Black Panthers in 2311 01:50:40,949 --> 01:50:39,219 southern Illinois at the time so that's 2312 01:50:42,629 --> 01:50:40,959 interesting but I mean I think the size 2313 01:50:44,850 --> 01:50:42,639 in this case if you're saying giant and 2314 01:50:46,290 --> 01:50:44,860 it was that large I mean that kind of 2315 01:50:49,350 --> 01:50:46,300 implies is you know as as big as your 2316 01:50:51,770 --> 01:50:49,360 car almost that's that's an enormous cat 2317 01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:51,780 well Karmann Ghia czar small but anyway 2318 01:50:57,330 --> 01:50:54,400 yeah well the whole theory is that there 2319 01:51:00,270 --> 01:50:57,340 Pleistocene cats which were American 2320 01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:00,280 lions and American lions are one-third 2321 01:51:07,859 --> 01:51:04,449 larger than normal African lions so it 2322 01:51:10,770 --> 01:51:07,869 it was within the size range that all of 2323 01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:10,780 the other reports that I gathered you 2324 01:51:17,250 --> 01:51:15,130 know really fit into that for me it's a 2325 01:51:21,929 --> 01:51:17,260 report that I've never written up too 2326 01:51:24,989 --> 01:51:21,939 much but it put me in a situation where 2327 01:51:28,109 --> 01:51:24,999 I understand what most humans experience 2328 01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:28,119 with unusual phenomena they don't give a 2329 01:51:32,819 --> 01:51:30,249 damn they want to go on with their own 2330 01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:32,829 life they want to put it behind them 2331 01:51:39,209 --> 01:51:36,130 they don't care about this where the qu 2332 01:51:42,779 --> 01:51:39,219 f owes or cryptozoology specimens or 2333 01:51:47,310 --> 01:51:42,789 whatever they just and you know that's 2334 01:51:50,419 --> 01:51:47,320 why I remember in the 50s in the sixties 2335 01:51:54,390 --> 01:51:50,429 I collected clippings and sent them to 2336 01:51:57,989 --> 01:51:54,400 other researchers today you can hardly 2337 01:52:00,569 --> 01:51:57,999 find any clippings in the newspaper or 2338 01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:00,579 even online anyplace of course it's 2339 01:52:07,799 --> 01:52:04,090 tabloid news it's not taken seriously 2340 01:52:09,580 --> 01:52:07,809 we're overwhelmed with Trump and the 2341 01:52:13,689 --> 01:52:09,590 border conflict and 2342 01:52:18,010 --> 01:52:13,699 politics and drug cartels it's just 2343 01:52:20,919 --> 01:52:18,020 amazing to me how we're awash in stuff 2344 01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:20,929 that doesn't affect us any more than 2345 01:52:29,890 --> 01:52:26,090 UFOs but everybody thinks it does and so 2346 01:52:32,620 --> 01:52:29,900 I think that's even the television shows 2347 01:52:35,950 --> 01:52:32,630 which there used to be much many more 2348 01:52:38,470 --> 01:52:35,960 UFO shows on TV than there are today 2349 01:52:40,570 --> 01:52:38,480 they're just disappearing sure there's 2350 01:52:43,330 --> 01:52:40,580 the ghost shows the ghost shows seem to 2351 01:52:46,060 --> 01:52:43,340 survive forever but finding Bigfoots 2352 01:52:49,660 --> 01:52:46,070 finally ended so that's not even on TV 2353 01:52:52,359 --> 01:52:49,670 so it's I think culturally in the 2354 01:52:56,439 --> 01:52:52,369 paranormal world we're seeing a shift 2355 01:52:59,140 --> 01:52:56,449 away from phenomena and unless here on 2356 01:53:00,910 --> 01:52:59,150 Netflix or you've got one a you know a 2357 01:53:04,750 --> 01:53:00,920 cable package because you can usually 2358 01:53:06,490 --> 01:53:04,760 find several shows on any one of those 2359 01:53:09,609 --> 01:53:06,500 topics if you've if you've got enough 2360 01:53:12,160 --> 01:53:09,619 channels and course on the computer you 2361 01:53:15,220 --> 01:53:12,170 can find a lot and there's I don't know 2362 01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:15,230 how many hundreds of paranormal podcasts 2363 01:53:20,740 --> 01:53:18,320 and radio shows still out there so but 2364 01:53:22,780 --> 01:53:20,750 yeah you're right it just seemed to go 2365 01:53:25,540 --> 01:53:22,790 in waves 2366 01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:25,550 the sightings himself seems to coincide 2367 01:53:33,250 --> 01:53:29,330 with the popularity of the media as well 2368 01:53:35,709 --> 01:53:33,260 so like like when the x-files was really 2369 01:53:39,100 --> 01:53:35,719 popular there was a really large wave in 2370 01:53:42,899 --> 01:53:39,110 in Britain that coincided exactly with 2371 01:53:45,220 --> 01:53:42,909 the airing of the shows so you know I 2372 01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:45,230 suppose we could say well maybe because 2373 01:53:48,910 --> 01:53:46,730 it became more acceptable and 2374 01:53:51,010 --> 01:53:48,920 fashionable to talk about it more people 2375 01:53:53,379 --> 01:53:51,020 were just talking about where the 2376 01:53:54,879 --> 01:53:53,389 skeptics could say well no people are 2377 01:53:59,109 --> 01:53:54,889 just you know want more attention so 2378 01:54:02,290 --> 01:53:59,119 they make up stuff I think in 2016 when 2379 01:54:06,370 --> 01:54:02,300 the campaign was going on the media 2380 01:54:09,939 --> 01:54:06,380 tired of talking about politics so much 2381 01:54:13,330 --> 01:54:09,949 that it gave some room for phantom 2382 01:54:16,540 --> 01:54:13,340 clowns to overwhelm the media I've seen 2383 01:54:20,109 --> 01:54:16,550 that happened times in the past where a 2384 01:54:22,989 --> 01:54:20,119 news story becomes so boring to the 2385 01:54:25,989 --> 01:54:22,999 media themselves that they search around 2386 01:54:28,299 --> 01:54:25,999 for one of these unusual stories come on 2387 01:54:30,370 --> 01:54:28,309 to it and then it becomes bigger maybe 2388 01:54:32,589 --> 01:54:30,380 you like this to the Stars Academy thing 2389 01:54:35,709 --> 01:54:32,599 that's it's kind of settled down quite a 2390 01:54:36,910 --> 01:54:35,719 bit now but we asked most of our guests 2391 01:54:38,669 --> 01:54:36,920 what they think of that when they come 2392 01:54:43,359 --> 01:54:38,679 on you know what's your take on that I 2393 01:54:45,729 --> 01:54:43,369 don't know anything about it oh okay I'm 2394 01:54:48,430 --> 01:54:45,739 not a ufologist some of my best friends 2395 01:54:52,359 --> 01:54:48,440 are you follow just like Jerry Clark but 2396 01:54:55,509 --> 01:54:52,369 I really concentrate on straight 40 and 2397 01:54:58,450 --> 01:54:55,519 phenomena and cryptozoology and I run 2398 01:55:01,419 --> 01:54:58,460 the cryptozoology Museum so that takes 2399 01:55:05,620 --> 01:55:01,429 most of my time right get to dip into 2400 01:55:10,209 --> 01:55:05,630 strange things with things like the para 2401 01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:10,219 cast but oftentimes I'm just I'm just an 2402 01:55:18,969 --> 01:55:15,440 observer it's not that I displease just 2403 01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:18,979 that I've got many other topics coming 2404 01:55:24,009 --> 01:55:21,610 in through emails and messages and 2405 01:55:25,930 --> 01:55:24,019 things that I have to respond to all the 2406 01:55:28,569 --> 01:55:25,940 time let's understand well let's talk a 2407 01:55:32,020 --> 01:55:28,579 little bit about cryptozoology then now 2408 01:55:34,180 --> 01:55:32,030 there's the skeptics of course call it a 2409 01:55:37,750 --> 01:55:34,190 pseudoscience and ufology suffers from 2410 01:55:40,779 --> 01:55:37,760 the same malady and/or mislabeling 2411 01:55:43,469 --> 01:55:40,789 as I would call it but would you say 2412 01:55:46,479 --> 01:55:43,479 it's fair to call cryptozoology a 2413 01:55:49,660 --> 01:55:46,489 pseudoscience do you claim first of all 2414 01:55:52,089 --> 01:55:49,670 the cryptozoology is a science unto 2415 01:55:55,719 --> 01:55:52,099 itself in the first place well the way 2416 01:55:59,290 --> 01:55:55,729 I've always dealt with it is that that 2417 01:56:01,020 --> 01:55:59,300 is definitely a way to diminish it by 2418 01:56:03,669 --> 01:56:01,030 calling it a pseudoscience 2419 01:56:07,299 --> 01:56:03,679 cryptozoology is a sub-discipline a 2420 01:56:11,290 --> 01:56:07,309 method of pursuit within zoology and 2421 01:56:14,790 --> 01:56:11,300 biology it's a way to first talk to 2422 01:56:17,109 --> 01:56:14,800 indigenous populations gather evidence 2423 01:56:21,580 --> 01:56:17,119 look for physical evidence 2424 01:56:24,759 --> 01:56:21,590 see if there's possibilities of examples 2425 01:56:27,660 --> 01:56:24,769 of the animals if not then it becomes 2426 01:56:30,939 --> 01:56:27,670 part of folklore if it becomes a real 2427 01:56:34,029 --> 01:56:30,949 physical specimen that can be collected 2428 01:56:36,540 --> 01:56:34,039 then it becomes part of zoology my whole 2429 01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:36,550 approach in the museum is 2430 01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:39,410 biological zoological anthropological 2431 01:56:44,530 --> 01:56:42,010 evidence of course you can't get real 2432 01:56:47,500 --> 01:56:44,540 specimens of aula cryptids but you can 2433 01:56:51,100 --> 01:56:47,510 get replicas from tourist sites and from 2434 01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:51,110 some toy manufacturers that make a point 2435 01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:54,890 I'm not a evangelical cryptozoologist I 2436 01:56:58,090 --> 01:56:57,290 figure the evidence will speak for 2437 01:57:01,090 --> 01:56:58,100 itself 2438 01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:01,100 if the other party is open-minded enough 2439 01:57:06,460 --> 01:57:03,770 to look at the footprints look at the 2440 01:57:10,020 --> 01:57:06,470 foot cast look at the hair samples and 2441 01:57:12,610 --> 01:57:10,030 the results look at how a fecal material 2442 01:57:14,940 --> 01:57:12,620 collected about the Yeti or the Bigfoot 2443 01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:14,950 looks so much different than other 2444 01:57:21,100 --> 01:57:18,410 animals so I just plot a long very 2445 01:57:24,090 --> 01:57:21,110 scientific method and also with the good 2446 01:57:27,340 --> 01:57:24,100 sense of humor 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02:02:16,250 --> 02:02:13,199 certainly part of reality there's 2558 02:02:18,739 --> 02:02:16,260 thousands of cases there's hundreds of 2559 02:02:22,370 --> 02:02:18,749 thousands of footprints there's native 2560 02:02:25,339 --> 02:02:22,380 american native canadian sightings and 2561 02:02:28,939 --> 02:02:25,349 stories that go back hundreds of years i 2562 02:02:31,339 --> 02:02:28,949 think that i'm realistic enough to know 2563 02:02:35,709 --> 02:02:31,349 that eighty percent of all of the 2564 02:02:38,540 --> 02:02:35,719 sightings of Bigfoot are probably miss 2565 02:02:41,660 --> 02:02:38,550 identification Xand mistakes the back 2566 02:02:44,870 --> 02:02:41,670 end of a moose misinterpreted bear 2567 02:02:47,029 --> 02:02:44,880 sighting your grandmother in her fur 2568 02:02:49,580 --> 02:02:47,039 coat I mean there's all kinds of reasons 2569 02:02:52,879 --> 02:02:49,590 that people see Bigfoot out there but I 2570 02:02:56,209 --> 02:02:52,889 think there's that nineteen percent that 2571 02:02:58,549 --> 02:02:56,219 are still the unknown and there's a 1 2572 02:03:01,129 --> 02:02:58,559 percent out of all these cases only 1 2573 02:03:02,569 --> 02:03:01,139 percent are hoaxes you know it's 2574 02:03:06,709 --> 02:03:02,579 interesting here you raise the point of 2575 02:03:08,779 --> 02:03:06,719 my grandmother and a fur coat hmm yeah 2576 02:03:11,870 --> 02:03:08,789 there's in the image for me for sure my 2577 02:03:13,759 --> 02:03:11,880 dear old Danish grandmother in a fur 2578 02:03:16,419 --> 02:03:13,769 coat pretending to be a Bigfoot yes 2579 02:03:18,979 --> 02:03:16,429 thing well if she might be a troll 2580 02:03:19,880 --> 02:03:18,989 please don't use the word troll I get 2581 02:03:22,790 --> 02:03:19,890 throws 2582 02:03:25,790 --> 02:03:22,800 on our site all the time we're in a 2583 02:03:27,200 --> 02:03:25,800 troll invasion I'd rather not get in the 2584 02:03:29,570 --> 02:03:27,210 trolls unless they're trolls from 2585 02:03:30,890 --> 02:03:29,580 folklore that's what I was talking about 2586 02:03:33,740 --> 02:03:30,900 in Denmark 2587 02:03:36,740 --> 02:03:33,750 they're usually Giants trolls are giants 2588 02:03:41,420 --> 02:03:36,750 they're not small that's the ELLs course 2589 02:03:46,190 --> 02:03:41,430 so okay so hoaxes this is another thing 2590 02:03:49,100 --> 02:03:46,200 now the 1% similar kind of big years in 2591 02:03:52,220 --> 02:03:49,110 ufology from classical youth ology maybe 2592 02:03:54,530 --> 02:03:52,230 a little higher but in today's world 2593 02:03:57,590 --> 02:03:54,540 with the internet when you look at the 2594 02:04:01,400 --> 02:03:57,600 number of bad videos out there where 2595 02:04:04,490 --> 02:04:01,410 people are faking UFO footage I mean 2596 02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:04,500 that this percentage of hoaxes if you 2597 02:04:10,250 --> 02:04:06,570 consider those to be hoaxes has got to 2598 02:04:13,220 --> 02:04:10,260 be higher than 1% now I mean almost all 2599 02:04:15,820 --> 02:04:13,230 of it is just garbage well let me ask 2600 02:04:18,890 --> 02:04:15,830 you this if somebody takes a video 2601 02:04:22,160 --> 02:04:18,900 throwing a pipe at across their front 2602 02:04:24,110 --> 02:04:22,170 yard is that a hoax or a prank well it's 2603 02:04:26,240 --> 02:04:24,120 a hoax if they put it on YouTube and say 2604 02:04:28,010 --> 02:04:26,250 this is a picture of a UFO I saw it in 2605 02:04:29,930 --> 02:04:28,020 the backyard well you know how many 2606 02:04:31,610 --> 02:04:29,940 people do that with you know put on a 2607 02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:31,620 gorilla suit and go run it through the 2608 02:04:35,450 --> 02:04:33,450 junk you know the forest and then get 2609 02:04:38,720 --> 02:04:35,460 somebody to video I didn't go oh my god 2610 02:04:40,430 --> 02:04:38,730 oh my god look what it is it's got to be 2611 02:04:43,010 --> 02:04:40,440 higher than 1% if you're going to take 2612 02:04:44,060 --> 02:04:43,020 into factor all of that noise that's out 2613 02:04:46,990 --> 02:04:44,070 there on the Internet 2614 02:04:50,410 --> 02:04:47,000 are you a accountant or a statistician 2615 02:04:53,210 --> 02:04:50,420 you seem to really be into statistics 2616 02:04:55,490 --> 02:04:53,220 well I tend to look at numbers of things 2617 02:04:58,100 --> 02:04:55,500 and I'm more of an analyst yeah so I'll 2618 02:04:59,750 --> 02:04:58,110 look at a look at the situation and so 2619 02:05:02,390 --> 02:04:59,760 somebody says well the hoaxes are only 2620 02:05:04,490 --> 02:05:02,400 1% the first thing that comes to my mind 2621 02:05:08,440 --> 02:05:04,500 is that well you know in what is that 2622 02:05:12,410 --> 02:05:08,450 out of good reports that is a credible 2623 02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:12,420 group that collects them cysts through 2624 02:05:15,830 --> 02:05:14,400 and then investigates or is it just out 2625 02:05:18,980 --> 02:05:15,840 of all of them in general how do you get 2626 02:05:21,980 --> 02:05:18,990 that 1% well yeah let me tell you what I 2627 02:05:24,680 --> 02:05:21,990 do if there's a small percentage of 2628 02:05:27,860 --> 02:05:24,690 people that are coming to me presenting 2629 02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:27,870 evidence that is obviously faked and 2630 02:05:31,730 --> 02:05:29,730 they're trying to make money off of it 2631 02:05:33,710 --> 02:05:31,740 they're trying to get on TV or they're 2632 02:05:37,790 --> 02:05:33,720 trying to get in one of my book 2633 02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:37,800 it's obvious fake it's a hoax if I go to 2634 02:05:43,340 --> 02:05:41,210 YouTube and I look at a bunch of Bigfoot 2635 02:05:45,050 --> 02:05:43,350 videos that are just thrown up there 2636 02:05:48,590 --> 02:05:45,060 with no explanation 2637 02:05:52,010 --> 02:05:48,600 and I immediately can identify what 2638 02:05:54,020 --> 02:05:52,020 company that suit came from or that 2639 02:05:56,120 --> 02:05:54,030 they're showing something that their 2640 02:05:59,830 --> 02:05:56,130 sneakers are coming through the bottom I 2641 02:06:03,800 --> 02:05:59,840 don't take that to be a serious hoax I 2642 02:06:07,430 --> 02:06:03,810 take that to just be a jerk putting a 2643 02:06:09,790 --> 02:06:07,440 video up to clog the airwaves with 2644 02:06:13,640 --> 02:06:09,800 something that they think is funny right 2645 02:06:17,150 --> 02:06:13,650 looking at a cartoon verse looking at I 2646 02:06:19,310 --> 02:06:17,160 don't know let me think in executive 2647 02:06:22,600 --> 02:06:19,320 order from a branch of government you 2648 02:06:25,700 --> 02:06:22,610 know that everybody knows will be 2649 02:06:30,850 --> 02:06:25,710 overthrown in the future is that a hoax 2650 02:06:35,150 --> 02:06:30,860 so I think that I have a really straight 2651 02:06:37,010 --> 02:06:35,160 distinction between cartoons and comics 2652 02:06:39,860 --> 02:06:37,020 and fools 2653 02:06:43,730 --> 02:06:39,870 versus hoaxsters that are trying to 2654 02:06:47,510 --> 02:06:43,740 actually invade the field and change the 2655 02:06:49,730 --> 02:06:47,520 field with contamination okay one thing 2656 02:06:52,570 --> 02:06:49,740 that occurs to me is there people put 2657 02:06:55,010 --> 02:06:52,580 things up on YouTube to get the money 2658 02:06:58,370 --> 02:06:55,020 from the number of you is accept that 2659 02:06:59,780 --> 02:06:58,380 google has tightened up youtube to such 2660 02:07:02,600 --> 02:06:59,790 an extent that you've got to have a 2661 02:07:04,730 --> 02:07:02,610 minimum number of views a minimum number 2662 02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:04,740 of subscribers before they will allow 2663 02:07:10,280 --> 02:07:07,730 you to actually collect the proceeds 2664 02:07:11,380 --> 02:07:10,290 does made more difficult for casual 2665 02:07:14,090 --> 02:07:11,390 people 2666 02:07:16,880 --> 02:07:14,100 yeah that's pretty reasonable maybe 2667 02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:16,890 that'll help cut down in some of it so 2668 02:07:21,770 --> 02:07:19,530 you know I guess what I was going to 2669 02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:21,780 summarize then or Lauren then is that 2670 02:07:27,680 --> 02:07:25,050 the 1% that you're talking about doesn't 2671 02:07:29,900 --> 02:07:27,690 include all of the stuff that would go 2672 02:07:31,910 --> 02:07:29,910 into the wastebasket to begin with sort 2673 02:07:33,650 --> 02:07:31,920 of better reports that you feel are 2674 02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:33,660 worth serious consideration in the first 2675 02:07:39,740 --> 02:07:36,810 place and then out of those you find 2676 02:07:41,710 --> 02:07:39,750 that actually very fewer hoaxes well 2677 02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:41,720 that's why I said 80% are 2678 02:07:47,740 --> 02:07:44,570 misidentifications mistakes and other 2679 02:07:50,080 --> 02:07:47,750 material that's not worth looking at 2680 02:07:53,890 --> 02:07:50,090 I think that we have to look at it to 2681 02:07:56,530 --> 02:07:53,900 determine that but when I look at 1% of 2682 02:07:59,830 --> 02:07:56,540 the hoaxes that means because they have 2683 02:08:04,240 --> 02:07:59,840 a strict motivation to hoax the 2684 02:08:06,910 --> 02:08:04,250 investigator as opposed to just creating 2685 02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:06,920 a video for you know as a lark can 2686 02:08:10,180 --> 02:08:08,810 putting it up on YouTube yeah they're 2687 02:08:12,340 --> 02:08:10,190 not directing at me they're just 2688 02:08:14,080 --> 02:08:12,350 directing it at the universe I see 2689 02:08:16,510 --> 02:08:14,090 they're not intending to deceive anyone 2690 02:08:18,910 --> 02:08:16,520 there's just like wow let's just create 2691 02:08:20,350 --> 02:08:18,920 a Bigfoot video and who cares we'll just 2692 02:08:22,540 --> 02:08:20,360 call it Bigfoot and that doesn't count 2693 02:08:25,270 --> 02:08:22,550 as it as a hoax in your in your 2694 02:08:27,190 --> 02:08:25,280 statistics it's like suicide girls why 2695 02:08:29,950 --> 02:08:27,200 are they putting it up there you get the 2696 02:08:34,840 --> 02:08:29,960 clicks on it right some of these videos 2697 02:08:37,270 --> 02:08:34,850 are foolish jokes are cartoons in videos 2698 02:08:39,880 --> 02:08:37,280 they're not anything to do with the 2699 02:08:42,520 --> 02:08:39,890 field well just sound a little aside 2700 02:08:43,810 --> 02:08:42,530 jumping back to this the the strange 2701 02:08:46,630 --> 02:08:43,820 deaths you were saying that there was a 2702 02:08:50,920 --> 02:08:46,640 group that was tied to the Sex in the 2703 02:08:54,480 --> 02:08:50,930 City a television show and it turns out 2704 02:08:57,730 --> 02:08:54,490 that that show is also one of the most 2705 02:08:59,980 --> 02:08:57,740 prominent examples of the Mandela effect 2706 02:09:01,510 --> 02:08:59,990 that we talked about so there's a little 2707 02:09:06,550 --> 02:09:01,520 bit of synchronicity for you 2708 02:09:08,290 --> 02:09:06,560 okay okay again I still sometimes wonder 2709 02:09:11,380 --> 02:09:08,300 with synchronicity is there any evidence 2710 02:09:14,260 --> 02:09:11,390 at all that synchronicity is more than 2711 02:09:17,980 --> 02:09:14,270 just a coincidence we're looking at too 2712 02:09:20,140 --> 02:09:17,990 closely well certainly Carl Jung thought 2713 02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:20,150 there was something going on there he 2714 02:09:27,250 --> 02:09:23,050 felt it was more than a significant 2715 02:09:30,910 --> 02:09:27,260 association he felt there was I mean in 2716 02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:30,920 many ways both Jung and Freud were 2717 02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:33,530 spiritualist they really looked deeper 2718 02:09:40,330 --> 02:09:36,410 but didn't like to talk about it they 2719 02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:40,340 almost had a religious a spiritual point 2720 02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:42,530 of view that comes through Jung 2721 02:09:48,490 --> 02:09:45,890 certainly more than Freud and and I 2722 02:09:51,970 --> 02:09:48,500 think that synchronicity on the level of 2723 02:09:54,790 --> 02:09:51,980 Jung in synchronicity is seen as having 2724 02:09:56,760 --> 02:09:54,800 some kind of connection with a broader 2725 02:10:00,250 --> 02:09:56,770 cosmos 2726 02:10:00,760 --> 02:10:00,260 exactly but do we believe that or is 2727 02:10:03,160 --> 02:10:00,770 that just some 2728 02:10:08,140 --> 02:10:03,170 and we want to believe or it is it 2729 02:10:09,580 --> 02:10:08,150 really something verifiably extent we 2730 02:10:11,410 --> 02:10:09,590 have something else for you to believe 2731 02:10:12,340 --> 02:10:11,420 ladies and gentlemen and we'll present 2732 02:10:15,820 --> 02:10:12,350 it right now 2733 02:10:18,170 --> 02:10:15,830 with Lauren Jean and Randall you're in 2734 02:10:23,550 --> 02:10:18,180 the Perico 2735 02:10:32,340 --> 02:10:27,390 [Music] 2736 02:10:42,150 --> 02:10:38,250 visit GP and live.com today bacon lovers 2737 02:10:44,820 --> 02:10:42,160 we ship free try our amazing bacon no 2738 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or 2835 02:15:06,390 --> 02:15:02,980 would you rather continue or reexpress 2836 02:15:09,570 --> 02:15:06,400 it no that was pretty much it I mean I 2837 02:15:11,190 --> 02:15:09,580 think your sort of take on the whole 2838 02:15:12,990 --> 02:15:11,200 idea of synchronicity your question 2839 02:15:15,290 --> 02:15:13,000 there Jean is I pretty much just 2840 02:15:18,740 --> 02:15:15,300 restated it in my own terms 2841 02:15:22,920 --> 02:15:18,750 personally I think that there are 2842 02:15:25,080 --> 02:15:22,930 instances in my experience where it 2843 02:15:27,720 --> 02:15:25,090 seems like it's just there's just too 2844 02:15:31,170 --> 02:15:27,730 much of a certain kind of a coincidence 2845 02:15:35,370 --> 02:15:31,180 regarding certain things to just write 2846 02:15:37,950 --> 02:15:35,380 it off as purely coincidental or 2847 02:15:40,340 --> 02:15:37,960 accidental and I I don't really want to 2848 02:15:42,630 --> 02:15:40,350 go into it right now on the show but 2849 02:15:44,670 --> 02:15:42,640 there's there's been a couple of pretty 2850 02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:44,680 amazing things that have happened and 2851 02:15:49,950 --> 02:15:47,290 I'm sure that in many people's lives 2852 02:15:52,050 --> 02:15:49,960 they feel the same way so there's a 2853 02:15:55,370 --> 02:15:52,060 phenomena out there that we can't help 2854 02:15:59,820 --> 02:15:55,380 but feel means more than simply 2855 02:16:03,720 --> 02:15:59,830 coincidence is that fair learn I think 2856 02:16:07,110 --> 02:16:03,730 that's fair I think that for myself as a 2857 02:16:11,310 --> 02:16:07,120 Ford Ian as a follower of Charles bort 2858 02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:11,320 what's most important to me is to not 2859 02:16:18,480 --> 02:16:13,920 believe in coincidence 2860 02:16:21,720 --> 02:16:18,490 but it's more important to open it up to 2861 02:16:24,660 --> 02:16:21,730 open my universe to open my mind to 2862 02:16:27,330 --> 02:16:24,670 whatever is going to come my way if some 2863 02:16:30,930 --> 02:16:27,340 of them look like coincidences then it 2864 02:16:34,590 --> 02:16:30,940 goes in my mental library to really 2865 02:16:38,660 --> 02:16:34,600 interact with the the next one so I'm I 2866 02:16:41,280 --> 02:16:38,670 don't feel that I need to be predisposed 2867 02:16:45,870 --> 02:16:41,290 to believing that will be a coincidence 2868 02:16:49,400 --> 02:16:45,880 coming but instead just being open to 2869 02:16:52,530 --> 02:16:49,410 seeing it with the unprejudiced eye 2870 02:16:55,080 --> 02:16:52,540 that's a really good attitude I tend to 2871 02:16:58,620 --> 02:16:55,090 think that if we are going to be more 2872 02:17:00,930 --> 02:16:58,630 open to a broader view of the world then 2873 02:17:03,180 --> 02:17:00,940 it's probably more likely that we'll see 2874 02:17:05,340 --> 02:17:03,190 the interconnectedness and that 2875 02:17:08,580 --> 02:17:05,350 therefore we might think of those as 2876 02:17:10,800 --> 02:17:08,590 coincidences when in fact like you're 2877 02:17:12,190 --> 02:17:10,810 seeming to suggest it's just a broader 2878 02:17:15,459 --> 02:17:12,200 view of the world 2879 02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:15,469 of our existence in whatever this realm 2880 02:17:20,919 --> 02:17:19,010 is exactly now obviously I can talk 2881 02:17:23,290 --> 02:17:20,929 about a few things there coincidental 2882 02:17:26,799 --> 02:17:23,300 but they get to be so personal maybe I 2883 02:17:29,049 --> 02:17:26,809 should not bother ok so we were going 2884 02:17:31,270 --> 02:17:29,059 back to the reality again you can do 2885 02:17:33,009 --> 02:17:31,280 that in the after discussion you know 2886 02:17:33,600 --> 02:17:33,019 I'm and we won't talk about you behind 2887 02:17:37,179 --> 02:17:33,610 your back 2888 02:17:37,860 --> 02:17:37,189 that's ok all right well I'm glad to 2889 02:17:42,520 --> 02:17:37,870 know that 2890 02:17:43,440 --> 02:17:42,530 ok so Big Foot what about Loch Ness 2891 02:17:49,150 --> 02:17:43,450 monster 2892 02:17:54,100 --> 02:17:49,160 always one that I said there'll be a 2893 02:17:56,560 --> 02:17:54,110 50/50 percent possibility of because if 2894 02:17:59,080 --> 02:17:56,570 you think about it with Bigfoot you've 2895 02:18:01,780 --> 02:17:59,090 got a terrestrial animal that leaves 2896 02:18:03,310 --> 02:18:01,790 fecal material and footprints what do 2897 02:18:04,290 --> 02:18:03,320 you have left over from the Loch Ness 2898 02:18:07,780 --> 02:18:04,300 monster 2899 02:18:09,870 --> 02:18:07,790 eyewitness report nothing but 2900 02:18:13,030 --> 02:18:09,880 photographs that most of them are fake 2901 02:18:17,770 --> 02:18:13,040 most of the eyewitness accounts tend to 2902 02:18:20,049 --> 02:18:17,780 be waves ducks you know birds flying 2903 02:18:22,480 --> 02:18:20,059 over the Loch that people see on the 2904 02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:22,490 horizon there's lots of mistakes that 2905 02:18:27,669 --> 02:18:25,130 are made at Loch Ness is it that 2906 02:18:30,759 --> 02:18:27,679 anything that moves oh that's the 2907 02:18:33,190 --> 02:18:30,769 monster I went there in 1999 for a 2908 02:18:35,860 --> 02:18:33,200 two-week expedition and one of the 2909 02:18:39,009 --> 02:18:35,870 things that really shocked me was the 2910 02:18:43,060 --> 02:18:39,019 heart and by the horror that was the 2911 02:18:46,660 --> 02:18:43,070 rolling fog that went across a loch all 2912 02:18:49,629 --> 02:18:46,670 the time and it it takes on a life of 2913 02:18:53,440 --> 02:18:49,639 its own and maybe it's because film 2914 02:18:55,660 --> 02:18:53,450 doesn't capture it or photographers want 2915 02:18:59,500 --> 02:18:55,670 to take the nice beautiful view of each 2916 02:19:04,259 --> 02:18:59,510 Shore but I think that fog that drifts 2917 02:19:08,379 --> 02:19:04,269 over the Loch is really deceiving and 2918 02:19:10,419 --> 02:19:08,389 has a body to itself a lot of people 2919 02:19:12,669 --> 02:19:10,429 take pictures of the waves and they say 2920 02:19:15,940 --> 02:19:12,679 oh yeah I can see how the waves are 2921 02:19:17,799 --> 02:19:15,950 mistaken for the monster but there's 2922 02:19:19,839 --> 02:19:17,809 more picture there should be more 2923 02:19:22,540 --> 02:19:19,849 pictures taken of the fog than anything 2924 02:19:25,450 --> 02:19:22,550 else interesting I've never heard that 2925 02:19:25,719 --> 02:19:25,460 particular point of view before but I 2926 02:19:31,359 --> 02:19:25,729 could 2927 02:19:33,459 --> 02:19:31,369 other thing that shocked me we went over 2928 02:19:36,879 --> 02:19:33,469 there in July I had a group of people 2929 02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:36,889 but I also took my my son's Malcolm who 2930 02:19:45,160 --> 02:19:42,649 was 11 and Caleb who was 7 and we flew 2931 02:19:47,469 --> 02:19:45,170 over then we had to drive from Edinburgh 2932 02:19:49,870 --> 02:19:47,479 it's not a short drive it was three 2933 02:19:51,939 --> 02:19:49,880 hours you know after you've flown over 2934 02:19:54,639 --> 02:19:51,949 from United States you're really tired 2935 02:19:58,059 --> 02:19:54,649 so you get there and you lay down for a 2936 02:20:01,599 --> 02:19:58,069 nap we laid down and we woke up looked 2937 02:20:04,809 --> 02:20:01,609 at the clock in the in the motel and it 2938 02:20:07,929 --> 02:20:04,819 said 11 o'clock and we said wow we slept 2939 02:20:12,340 --> 02:20:07,939 all the way to the next day because it 2940 02:20:15,510 --> 02:20:12,350 was bright Sun we get up we find out 2941 02:20:17,889 --> 02:20:15,520 it's 11 o'clock at night so I 2942 02:20:20,679 --> 02:20:17,899 recalibrated my brain for all of those 2943 02:20:23,349 --> 02:20:20,689 sightings that I'd read all of those 2944 02:20:25,149 --> 02:20:23,359 years about 9 o'clock and ten o'clock 2945 02:20:27,189 --> 02:20:25,159 sightings and Loch Ness during the 2946 02:20:31,569 --> 02:20:27,199 summer when I thought it would be dark 2947 02:20:35,229 --> 02:20:31,579 out and it's so far north it's like the 2948 02:20:38,139 --> 02:20:35,239 Northern Lights the Sun becomes a factor 2949 02:20:40,420 --> 02:20:38,149 in the sightings that I never really had 2950 02:20:42,580 --> 02:20:40,430 an understanding about and that was that 2951 02:20:45,309 --> 02:20:42,590 was kind of a being there feeling 2952 02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:45,319 different about the place that I wasn't 2953 02:20:50,559 --> 02:20:47,930 expecting I guess it makes a difference 2954 02:20:52,989 --> 02:20:50,569 to be right on site yeah something like 2955 02:20:57,639 --> 02:20:52,999 that you get the real feel of the place 2956 02:20:59,679 --> 02:20:57,649 how about giant birds the giant birds or 2957 02:21:01,300 --> 02:20:59,689 the Thunderbirds there's really kind of 2958 02:21:04,330 --> 02:21:01,310 two different kinds of giant birds that 2959 02:21:07,029 --> 02:21:04,340 I deal with in North America one or the 2960 02:21:09,429 --> 02:21:07,039 Thunderbirds which the native peoples of 2961 02:21:13,059 --> 02:21:09,439 course talked about as coming from under 2962 02:21:17,469 --> 02:21:13,069 and that seems to be because most of the 2963 02:21:20,319 --> 02:21:17,479 traditional migration routes tend to go 2964 02:21:23,649 --> 02:21:20,329 with the up flows of the thunderstorms 2965 02:21:27,790 --> 02:21:23,659 and they go north the south down through 2966 02:21:29,620 --> 02:21:27,800 the Ozarks in the spring and then up 2967 02:21:33,359 --> 02:21:29,630 through the Rockies through the winter 2968 02:21:35,979 --> 02:21:33,369 and then the Owls the giant I'll report 2969 02:21:38,649 --> 02:21:35,989 Mothman in Point Pleasant West Virginia 2970 02:21:39,610 --> 02:21:38,659 even though the most of the sightings 2971 02:21:44,230 --> 02:21:39,620 were 19 2972 02:21:47,170 --> 02:21:44,240 66 1967 for Mothman digging in the 2973 02:21:50,680 --> 02:21:47,180 records mark 8 hall of the lake market 2974 02:21:53,290 --> 02:21:50,690 Hall and myself dug into records deeply 2975 02:21:55,720 --> 02:21:53,300 and found that over a hundred years ago 2976 02:21:58,120 --> 02:21:55,730 there were reports of Mothman like 2977 02:22:01,680 --> 02:21:58,130 creatures or or as the natives called 2978 02:22:04,930 --> 02:22:01,690 him a giant flying chest 2979 02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:04,940 they had their head described in their 2980 02:22:12,070 --> 02:22:08,570 chest then in the 1920s or were reports 2981 02:22:15,490 --> 02:22:12,080 of giant Birds following jalopies down 2982 02:22:18,580 --> 02:22:15,500 those roads so there it's a routine sort 2983 02:22:21,940 --> 02:22:18,590 of situation in the Appalachian area of 2984 02:22:26,680 --> 02:22:21,950 them seeing these giant owls over 4 feet 2985 02:22:30,310 --> 02:22:26,690 tall and just having eyes that actually 2986 02:22:32,320 --> 02:22:30,320 reflect red back it's one of the myths 2987 02:22:35,710 --> 02:22:32,330 of the field that there's all of these 2988 02:22:38,051 --> 02:22:35,720 glowing red-eyed Bigfoot and Mothman and 2989 02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:38,061 other creatures if you actually get down 2990 02:22:43,480 --> 02:22:41,210 to the original reports and original 2991 02:22:45,551 --> 02:22:43,490 sources you'll find that there was some 2992 02:22:47,051 --> 02:22:45,561 kind of light source shining in the 2993 02:22:51,160 --> 02:22:47,061 direction of the creatures that make 2994 02:22:53,530 --> 02:22:51,170 their eyes red yeah the in Alaska 2995 02:22:56,230 --> 02:22:53,540 there's been a couple of more than a 2996 02:22:58,420 --> 02:22:56,240 couple of reports of a really large bird 2997 02:23:01,330 --> 02:22:58,430 up there one by a pilot who saw one from 2998 02:23:03,190 --> 02:23:01,340 his small plane like a Cessna he says 2999 02:23:06,210 --> 02:23:03,200 almost as big as his plane and then 3000 02:23:08,860 --> 02:23:06,220 there's another person here I'm just 3001 02:23:11,591 --> 02:23:08,870 recalling him looking at it now says the 3002 02:23:13,301 --> 02:23:11,601 wingspan had to be at least 20 feet it 3003 02:23:15,310 --> 02:23:13,311 was almost as wide as the road that's 3004 02:23:17,290 --> 02:23:15,320 lived there all my life and have never 3005 02:23:19,540 --> 02:23:17,300 seen anything like that it freaked me 3006 02:23:24,400 --> 02:23:19,550 out it was not a raven or an eagle this 3007 02:23:25,960 --> 02:23:24,410 isn't a joke it was huge so yeah it 3008 02:23:27,580 --> 02:23:25,970 seems to be Thunderbird reports 3009 02:23:30,970 --> 02:23:27,590 Southeast Alaska 3010 02:23:33,430 --> 02:23:30,980 tends to be area that routinely reports 3011 02:23:35,740 --> 02:23:33,440 but the thing that we often forget these 3012 02:23:39,070 --> 02:23:35,750 creatures cannot be seen without humans 3013 02:23:41,530 --> 02:23:39,080 and so some of the areas that these 3014 02:23:44,530 --> 02:23:41,540 creatures may be flying around in there 3015 02:23:47,920 --> 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02:29:27,871 --> 02:29:24,711 tend to be cities that have green belts 3140 02:29:30,941 --> 02:29:27,881 that come in like in 1970s there was 3141 02:29:34,720 --> 02:29:30,951 reports of Bigfoot around the edges of 3142 02:29:38,140 --> 02:29:34,730 the Cleveland Zoo you look at a map now 3143 02:29:41,651 --> 02:29:38,150 and you can see how that the green belt 3144 02:29:44,591 --> 02:29:41,661 where the rural type area can come close 3145 02:29:47,381 --> 02:29:44,601 to some situations like that and you 3146 02:29:50,231 --> 02:29:47,391 could imagine a Bigfoot getting lost and 3147 02:29:52,751 --> 02:29:50,241 making it that far in my older brother 3148 02:29:55,841 --> 02:29:52,761 and his wife this would have been back 3149 02:29:57,371 --> 02:29:55,851 in the 60s when they were dating used to 3150 02:30:00,551 --> 02:29:57,381 go up to uh it was a Nature Reserve 3151 02:30:02,021 --> 02:30:00,561 pretty much right inside of Calgary you 3152 02:30:04,151 --> 02:30:02,031 could pull up onto the hill and kind of 3153 02:30:05,711 --> 02:30:04,161 overlook the city in and hang out up 3154 02:30:08,111 --> 02:30:05,721 there they took the dog out there for a 3155 02:30:09,341 --> 02:30:08,121 run one night everything was off in the 3156 02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:09,351 car and they were just sitting there 3157 02:30:14,501 --> 02:30:11,690 when this they tell me this story and of 3158 02:30:16,571 --> 02:30:14,511 course I believe it they were very 3159 02:30:19,720 --> 02:30:16,581 serious about it and told it to me a 3160 02:30:21,461 --> 02:30:19,730 couple of times this large creature now 3161 02:30:25,390 --> 02:30:21,471 he described it not as a Bigfoot but 3162 02:30:28,151 --> 02:30:25,400 more as like a Hulk a large humanoid 3163 02:30:31,361 --> 02:30:28,161 type creature that was just more or less 3164 02:30:34,661 --> 02:30:31,371 outlined as a silhouette came up over 3165 02:30:36,671 --> 02:30:34,671 the hill toward their car running and 3166 02:30:38,201 --> 02:30:36,681 looking down and it didn't seem to 3167 02:30:40,511 --> 02:30:38,211 notice they were there so they cracked 3168 02:30:42,220 --> 02:30:40,521 the door to let the dog out and as soon 3169 02:30:44,021 --> 02:30:42,230 as that happened they said it stopped 3170 02:30:46,511 --> 02:30:44,031 turned around and ran the other 3171 02:30:48,581 --> 02:30:46,521 direction the dog gets out to chase it 3172 02:30:50,680 --> 02:30:48,591 chases it down into a little ravine 3173 02:30:52,331 --> 02:30:50,690 where there's a barbed-wire fence they 3174 02:30:53,890 --> 02:30:52,341 go and look and it was a bit of snow on 3175 02:30:54,219 --> 02:30:53,900 the ground they could see the prints go 3176 02:30:57,429 --> 02:30:54,229 right 3177 02:30:59,469 --> 02:30:57,439 to the fence and then nothing dogs just 3178 02:31:02,080 --> 02:30:59,479 standing there going what happened did 3179 02:31:04,179 --> 02:31:02,090 they take photographs no they were just 3180 02:31:05,889 --> 02:31:04,189 they didn't have a camera with them and 3181 02:31:08,170 --> 02:31:05,899 they were just like yeah pretty much 3182 02:31:10,420 --> 02:31:08,180 well Bigfoot means themselves but 3183 02:31:12,370 --> 02:31:10,430 Bigfoot is attractive to sexual activity 3184 02:31:16,599 --> 02:31:12,380 you might ask your brother about that 3185 02:31:18,519 --> 02:31:16,609 well I can't I wouldn't be surprised you 3186 02:31:21,189 --> 02:31:18,529 know but they were pretty frightened 3187 02:31:23,500 --> 02:31:21,199 good story yeah something I had never 3188 02:31:26,469 --> 02:31:23,510 forgotten you know is that sort of Hulk 3189 02:31:28,000 --> 02:31:26,479 type highly musculature and maybe not 3190 02:31:30,210 --> 02:31:28,010 necessarily like a big hairy ape but 3191 02:31:33,729 --> 02:31:30,220 more like a Hulk type creature sort of 3192 02:31:36,939 --> 02:31:33,739 anything in alberta there's many reports 3193 02:31:40,330 --> 02:31:36,949 of the larger kind and these are 3194 02:31:43,569 --> 02:31:40,340 actually a little bit 2 or 3 feet taller 3195 02:31:45,910 --> 02:31:43,579 than bigfoot have a certain build and 3196 02:31:48,340 --> 02:31:45,920 you sometimes with backlighting wouldn't 3197 02:31:51,939 --> 02:31:48,350 see the hair yeah because they didn't 3198 02:31:54,010 --> 02:31:51,949 describe this as as like an ape at all 3199 02:31:56,170 --> 02:31:54,020 and they were he was really adamant that 3200 02:31:58,179 --> 02:31:56,180 it wasn't he knew about bigfoot but he 3201 02:31:59,620 --> 02:31:58,189 said it wasn't sort of like that sort of 3202 02:32:01,840 --> 02:31:59,630 thing like not like you'd see in like 3203 02:32:02,559 --> 02:32:01,850 the Patterson film or whatever if you 3204 02:32:04,719 --> 02:32:02,569 believe that 3205 02:32:06,969 --> 02:32:04,729 what's your name the Patterson film by 3206 02:32:10,239 --> 02:32:06,979 the way we I guess we should ask I don't 3207 02:32:13,569 --> 02:32:10,249 believe in any of this so I I consider 3208 02:32:17,050 --> 02:32:13,579 it acceptable evidence worthy of study I 3209 02:32:20,399 --> 02:32:17,060 have actually looked at the three claims 3210 02:32:22,989 --> 02:32:20,409 of it hoaxing and they all have no merit 3211 02:32:24,519 --> 02:32:22,999 yeah like I've looked at them all too 3212 02:32:26,529 --> 02:32:24,529 and so there's this back and forth thing 3213 02:32:28,090 --> 02:32:26,539 where you've got the guy who says he 3214 02:32:30,219 --> 02:32:28,100 actually wore the suit the tailor who 3215 02:32:31,599 --> 02:32:30,229 made the suit and all the circumstantial 3216 02:32:33,309 --> 02:32:31,609 evidence that goes with it 3217 02:32:34,859 --> 02:32:33,319 and I look at the thing it looks like a 3218 02:32:37,029 --> 02:32:34,869 guy in the suit to me but I'm no expert 3219 02:32:39,340 --> 02:32:37,039 you know but you're saying that there's 3220 02:32:41,800 --> 02:32:39,350 still something to be taken seriously 3221 02:32:44,349 --> 02:32:41,810 there yeah you can actually see muscle 3222 02:32:46,029 --> 02:32:44,359 movement underneath the hair on some of 3223 02:32:48,849 --> 02:32:46,039 the new enhancements the computer 3224 02:32:51,880 --> 02:32:48,859 enhancements Bob hieronymus who says he 3225 02:32:54,609 --> 02:32:51,890 was in the suit when he was the age the 3226 02:32:58,149 --> 02:32:54,619 what had to would have had to been was a 3227 02:33:01,750 --> 02:32:58,159 thin basketball player and just didn't 3228 02:33:05,160 --> 02:33:01,760 have the bulk and then the guy who's the 3229 02:33:08,230 --> 02:33:05,170 quote-unquote tailor was a costume 3230 02:33:10,960 --> 02:33:08,240 artist for carnivals and 3231 02:33:13,510 --> 02:33:10,970 he's dead now but he was never able to 3232 02:33:16,300 --> 02:33:13,520 present any of the suits that he 3233 02:33:18,760 --> 02:33:16,310 manufactured that would match the 3234 02:33:21,969 --> 02:33:18,770 Patterson film and then in the book that 3235 02:33:25,150 --> 02:33:21,979 tried to debunk it he came up with two 3236 02:33:27,910 --> 02:33:25,160 ways the suit was created one through 3237 02:33:30,880 --> 02:33:27,920 this guy bill Morris and the other was 3238 02:33:34,390 --> 02:33:30,890 through old horse hides he said both of 3239 02:33:37,420 --> 02:33:34,400 those explanations in one book and I 3240 02:33:40,210 --> 02:33:37,430 often call it the tale of two suits 3241 02:33:42,490 --> 02:33:40,220 because they can't even get their 3242 02:33:46,390 --> 02:33:42,500 stories right have you ever seen one 3243 02:33:49,360 --> 02:33:46,400 yourself no no I haven't yeah neither 3244 02:33:51,070 --> 02:33:49,370 have I I do believe the phenomena exists 3245 02:33:52,990 --> 02:33:51,080 there's too many people who say they've 3246 02:33:55,750 --> 02:33:53,000 seen something that fits the description 3247 02:33:57,820 --> 02:33:55,760 so I would say personally speaking 3248 02:34:00,250 --> 02:33:57,830 regardless of the veracity of things 3249 02:34:02,620 --> 02:34:00,260 like the Patterson film there's too many 3250 02:34:04,330 --> 02:34:02,630 people out there who seem perfectly 3251 02:34:07,990 --> 02:34:04,340 reasonable and capable of discerning 3252 02:34:11,560 --> 02:34:08,000 what they see to think that they're all 3253 02:34:13,840 --> 02:34:11,570 just lying or hoaxing yeah well I tell 3254 02:34:16,330 --> 02:34:13,850 reporters to ask me do I believe in 3255 02:34:18,580 --> 02:34:16,340 Bigfoot and I say no I don't believe in 3256 02:34:21,640 --> 02:34:18,590 Bigfoot but do you think I would still 3257 02:34:24,730 --> 02:34:21,650 be interested in staying this subject 60 3258 02:34:25,480 --> 02:34:24,740 years later only if I was insane huh 3259 02:34:32,560 --> 02:34:25,490 okay 3260 02:34:35,320 --> 02:34:32,570 fragments and remains of million year 3261 02:34:37,120 --> 02:34:35,330 old dinosaurs why can't we find any 3262 02:34:40,060 --> 02:34:37,130 remains of these things that we can go 3263 02:34:43,170 --> 02:34:40,070 okay for sure we've got one well we do 3264 02:34:45,330 --> 02:34:43,180 Gigantopithecus paranthesis there's many 3265 02:34:48,760 --> 02:34:45,340 hominid fossil candidates 3266 02:34:51,219 --> 02:34:48,770 Gigantopithecus was a ape-like creature 3267 02:34:53,940 --> 02:34:51,229 that was over ten feet tall and there's 3268 02:34:57,430 --> 02:34:53,950 fossil remains from India China and 3269 02:35:00,070 --> 02:34:57,440 Vietnam so there's plenty of fossil 3270 02:35:02,469 --> 02:35:00,080 candidates from the Pleistocene that 3271 02:35:04,420 --> 02:35:02,479 would fit right into a Bigfoot so you 3272 02:35:06,460 --> 02:35:04,430 figure maybe some of these have survived 3273 02:35:08,860 --> 02:35:06,470 through that period of time or rather 3274 02:35:12,760 --> 02:35:08,870 than evolving into something else they 3275 02:35:14,890 --> 02:35:12,770 just stayed in that particular form yeah 3276 02:35:17,740 --> 02:35:14,900 they probably have been pretty static as 3277 02:35:20,260 --> 02:35:17,750 much as humans have evolved you know 3278 02:35:21,550 --> 02:35:20,270 there's minor little details there maybe 3279 02:35:23,740 --> 02:35:21,560 the size 3280 02:35:27,309 --> 02:35:23,750 Changez there's some of these true 3281 02:35:30,010 --> 02:35:27,319 Giants actually show for toes instead of 3282 02:35:32,229 --> 02:35:30,020 five some of the big foot show five toes 3283 02:35:34,599 --> 02:35:32,239 so there may be some modifications in 3284 02:35:37,660 --> 02:35:34,609 evolution in that direction but in 3285 02:35:40,750 --> 02:35:37,670 general Gigantopithecus paranthesis homo 3286 02:35:43,149 --> 02:35:40,760 erectus that may survive probably would 3287 02:35:45,790 --> 02:35:43,159 look essentially same you know only a 3288 02:35:47,620 --> 02:35:45,800 few hundred thousand years ago but then 3289 02:35:50,170 --> 02:35:47,630 they seem to disappear too few hundred 3290 02:35:51,760 --> 02:35:50,180 thousand years ago - why not more recent 3291 02:35:55,059 --> 02:35:51,770 that means no they haven't disappeared 3292 02:35:57,780 --> 02:35:55,069 they've continued on just because we 3293 02:36:00,340 --> 02:35:57,790 can't find fossils in the temperate zone 3294 02:36:04,000 --> 02:36:00,350 doesn't mean that they weren't there we 3295 02:36:07,000 --> 02:36:04,010 have records from coins from Europe from 3296 02:36:08,439 --> 02:36:07,010 600 years ago that shows us those people 3297 02:36:11,530 --> 02:36:08,449 were interacting with bigfoot-type 3298 02:36:15,099 --> 02:36:11,540 creatures wild man coins is a whole 3299 02:36:17,410 --> 02:36:15,109 subfield within coin collecting sounds 3300 02:36:20,170 --> 02:36:17,420 almost like a prehistoric version of 3301 02:36:22,389 --> 02:36:20,180 Harry and the Hendersons doesn't it 3302 02:36:24,250 --> 02:36:22,399 Loren Coleman please tell our listeners 3303 02:36:26,530 --> 02:36:24,260 they want to have more information about 3304 02:36:29,800 --> 02:36:26,540 what you do where can they go and tell 3305 02:36:31,630 --> 02:36:29,810 us more about your Museum well I'm the 3306 02:36:33,819 --> 02:36:31,640 director and founder of the 3307 02:36:36,189 --> 02:36:33,829 International cryptozoology Museum 3308 02:36:39,030 --> 02:36:36,199 that's at Thompson's point in Portland 3309 02:36:43,780 --> 02:36:39,040 Maine they can go to cryptozoology 3310 02:36:46,240 --> 02:36:43,790 museum all one word.com they can get the 3311 02:36:48,639 --> 02:36:46,250 hours there were open year-round we're 3312 02:36:51,189 --> 02:36:48,649 open every day but Tuesday and we have a 3313 02:36:54,460 --> 02:36:51,199 conference coming up in September that 3314 02:36:57,550 --> 02:36:54,470 has people like Jeff Meldrum film makers 3315 02:37:00,189 --> 02:36:57,560 a woman named dawn Prince Hughes Ben 3316 02:37:02,500 --> 02:37:00,199 Radford we even let skeptics in the door 3317 02:37:04,990 --> 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Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3359 02:39:06,550 --> 02:39:02,830 presentation of making the impossible